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NormaB1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I have been living in a HOA community for 27 years. In all these years, there have never been separate reserve accounts set up by previous boards. When the Corp handed over the torch to the homeowners, no board after that followed the same by not providing reserve accounts over the years. Our association has some money in reserve but not dedicated. We need to start on a new budget for 2018 and need to fix this situation. All of us are volunteers and know what we need to do but I am asking if anyone out there has had the past experience of setting up these accounts. If so, we could certainly use some input. Have any of you done this yourselves or have you used professional help to do so? I would appreciate any help I can get. Thank you
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Norma, the very first thing you should do is either obtain a Reserve Study for your property or update the one you may have. Without a Reserve Study you will not have an accurate idea of how much money to allocate to a reserve fund although, after 27 years, your historical expenditures for repairs and replacement may provide some insight into your needs.

Bottom line, you should obtain professional assistance unless you have extremely experienced and skilled volunteers available.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What Norm said. You might also want to talk to your bank or perhaps a few others (preferably those who have experience working with HOAs) on what your options are in establishing the account. You should strive to get an interest bearing account that protects the principal.

Between the reserve study and your association attorney, your board should also consider establishing some policies and protocols for the account covering things like borrowing from reserves (which you should avoid as much as possible), how often to do a reserve study, how the reserves should be funded, what components of the common area qualify as reserve items as opposed to something that could be covered by the operating budget, etc. By establishing some policies and protocols, future boards won't have to start from scratch.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Excuse me, I meant to say I agree with Bill!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I agree with Bill too. You need a study done by a professional or certified reserves analyst.

But, wait. Tell us a little about your reserve items or components. Do you have many? Fences? Swimming pool? Lighting? Sprinkler systems?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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As suggested, getting a professional reserve study done is not a bad idea. If you can't or don't want to spend the money, then you can certainly take a stab at it yourself.

Generally, you would identify all of the components that the association is responsible for, estimate repair/replacement costs, and expected lifespan before repair or replacement. Based on the percent of useful lifespan used of each component, you can estimate how much you should have in reserves, and start budgeting towards having the money available when needed to avoid special assessments.

You should also familiarize yourself with Florida Statute 720 as it pertains to reserves (and in general if you haven't already. FS718 for Condos):
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/0720.html

Additionally, there might be local laws to take into account. In my case, we are a gated community and responsible for roads, sidewalks, storm drainage, etc. Our county gated community ordinance has specific reserve requirements that we have to meet.

Here is a thread started by a very knowledgeable poster to help get you started:
http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx

Here is another who has created a spreadsheet that can be used:
http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/214592/view/topic/Default.aspx

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By NormaB1 on 07/18/2017 5:05 AM
I have been living in a HOA community for 27 years. In all these years, there have never been separate reserve accounts set up by previous boards. When the Corp handed over the torch to the homeowners, no board after that followed the same by not providing reserve accounts over the years. Our association has some money in reserve but not dedicated. We need to start on a new budget for 2018 and need to fix this situation. All of us are volunteers and know what we need to do but I am asking if anyone out there has had the past experience of setting up these accounts. If so, we could certainly use some input. Have any of you done this yourselves or have you used professional help to do so? I would appreciate any help I can get. Thank you

Welcome, NormaB. Your HOA sounds a lot like mine. We have never had a reserve study done. I have tried to get some consensus on getting one done but the board as a whole does not agree. Reason? They don't want to spend the money when we can "do it ourselves". We are self-managed.

Please be aware that reserve "accounts" exist in the plural only for accounting purposes. Usually the amounts dedicated to each "account" will all be in the same bank account (subject to FDIC limits that might result in more than one bank accounts).

This part is very important:

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Posted By NormaB1 on 07/18/2017 5:05 AM
In all these years, there have never been separate reserve accounts set up by previous boards. When the Corp handed over the torch to the homeowners, no board after that followed the same by not providing reserve accounts over the years.

In Florida, if you have no reserve accounts set up then FS 720.303(6) probably does not apply to you re. reserves. This is a big deal because if FS 720.303(6) does apply then your hands are tied very tightly with regard to how you budget your reserves, how you may handle the money, and how the different accounts may be adjusted.

Under FS 720.303 every year you will need to prepare 2 budgets. One with fully funded reserve contributions - the statute provides a formula you must use - and one with underfunded reserve contributions. YOU NEED A VOTE OF THE HOMEOWNERS TO APPROVE A BUDGET WITH UNDERFUNDED RESERVES. Every year you want to underfund. Without that vote then the 1st budget must go into effect. This is designed to protect homeowners in the long-term from themselves.

Starting with a reserve study is a good idea. With or without a study, however, realize that once the board commits the association to being under FS 720.303 then you will have more work to do. Preparing two budgets is only the start (if you want to underfund, that's not a given in every case). There's also the necessity for an owner's meeting to vote on the underfunding. Every year, if need be.

If you have no reserves, reserves that are not subject to FS 720.303(6) or the homeowners have voted to underfund them for the year then you are required to have conspicuous language - specified by statute - in your annual financial report. This is key information for any prospective homeowner to be aware of.

My HOA does none of that and it has been a sore spot with me since I got here. My advice would be to learn as much as you can about FS 720 and reserves, give serious consideration to getting a reserve study done, and then plan for a changed way that things are done every year with regard to your budgeting process (those changes including a homeowner's meeting and vote if any deviation from the statute is planned for the year).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Norma,

If you are in a condominium development, I would suggest having a professional study done.
If you are in a HOA development, you could probably do one yourself.

Most vendors are happy to help.

The thread provided by douglas about Reserve Studies has the resources you would need to know how to do a study on your own or to understand a study done by a professional.

Keep in mind that there are two ways to look at Reserves:

1) It's a pot of money that is there when needed and the amount to fund the reserves is based on enough money being in the pot each time a reserve item has an expenditure.

2) Money in the Reserves have a specific amount allocated to each individual reserve item (sort of a Reserve budget).

Option 2 typically requires more funds to be set aside then option 1 does.

Regardless of which option is chosen, you are right that the Board needs to look at things now rather then later so money is available when it's needed (which prevents the need for special assessments).
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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A reserve study is where I would start. However, would need more details on what your HOA needs a reserve account for. What common areas do you have which would need a reserve account for? Do you have a pool? A clubhouse? Responsible for roads/roof replacement?

Having a reserve account just for reserve account sake may not be what your HOA needs. There could be some tax ramifications. Plus it may create some distrust of general membership or bad spending via the board. Members may say "Why are we paying more dues to put into reserves?" Board members may use the money as a "cushion" fund. "Well we can do this knowing we have this money in reserve". Which can get you deeper in a hole later. So it is quite the balancing act.

We did not have a reserve account. It was just a small savings account. We did have a pool, clubhouse, and other minor expenses. For us, it was better to have a special assessment for those times we had "special" project/emergency needs. Otherwise, most people did not like the idea of raising dues to put toward savings/reserves.

My goal basically was to have enough in savings to cover the insurance deductible.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
As others have said, a Reserve Study is the first step. One must get their arms around what will be needed then convince others to properly finance it.

That said, do not assume owners will agree to properly finance it.

In my HOA, our Declarant turned over a Reserve Study to our new BOD of which I was on. There was an obvious major issue that was going to have to be dealt with beginning 18 years down the road and continuing for 7 years which was re-roofing of each home which the HOA is responsible for. Our finances were and are fine with that exception. For two years I hounded the BOD we needed to raise dues to address this. I became known as the BOD Member that wanted to raise the dues which have been the same since this HOA was started. Hard to convince many 60 year old (or older) people what has to be done 17 to 25 years down the road. The major push back was well I have to worry about my finances now, not 17 to 25 years down the road and many added that they doubted they would be here and/or live that long.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/18/2017 6:03 PM
That said, do not assume owners will agree to properly finance it.

JohnC, ain't that the truth? For 10 years our roof reserve schedule anticipated a 20-year lifetime on $1,000,000 of re-roofing due again in 2027. We're halfway through that 20 year period and the roof reserve is sitting comfortably on $500,000. Halfway to the goal halfway through the cycle. We need another $500,000 from 100 homes over 10 years, monthly c $41.67.

Now we learn that the roofs need to be replaced in another 5 years, not 10. So we need $500,000 from 100 homes over 5 years, monthly c $83.33.

That's a $42 per month increase that we need to start collecting ASAP. In the last 10 years this HOA's monthly assessments have gone up an AVERAGE of $6 per month. Our point man on this crisis is a board member who is a retired CPA. His word carries a lot of weight in the community. He's selling his house and moving on August 1. My only ally for sanity is leaving.

The kicker is the estimated remaining lifetime of the roofs, which was 10 years and suddenly went to 5 years, is an estimate from the roofing contractor who last re-roofed in 2007. He's looking for the business but nobody here seems concerned that he might be giving us the business. My calls to engage an independent roofing consultant who has no vested interest in our re-roofing plans have so far gone unheeded. We're staring down the barrel of a $2,500 special assessment in 5 years unless people open their eyes and see the consequences of only raising assessments another $5 next year.
TeresaM3 (Ohio)
Posts: 2
Posted:
If you live in a PUD-Planned Unit Development Non Profit and never had a Reserve Fund. Can the board vote to have a reserve fund? We only have 2 gazebos, 2 signs and private streets which need no repair. We as unit owners are responsible for our own unit-siding-roof. This is in Ohio.

Thank you
TeresaM3 (Ohio)
Posts: 2
Posted:
If you live in a PUD-Planned Unit Development Non Profit and never had a Reserve Fund. Can the board vote to have a reserve fund? We only have 2 gazebos, 2 signs and private streets which need no repair. We as unit owners are responsible for our own unit-siding-roof. This is in Ohio.

Thank you
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Yes!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Reserves are very important as it keeps special assessments to a minimum (if at all).

To learn more about reserve studies (which identifies how much you need to set aside each year to pay for future planned expenses and replacements), see the following thread on this forum:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/29/2017 6:13 PM
Reserves are very important as it keeps special assessments to a minimum (if at all).

To learn more about reserve studies (which identifies how much you need to set aside each year to pay for future planned expenses and replacements), see the following thread on this forum:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx

I agree!!!

My new HOA did not have a reserve and which I pointed out to the BOD prior to our annual meeting. At the annual meeting this year it was brought up to increase dues to fund a reserve for our future irrigation repairs. Initially most were verbally against ... However, when I pointed out keeping to simple facts that it was better to pay $50 more each year vs. having to assess each owner Thousands as an special assessment down the road, which could cause a hardship for some owners. We then had 100% of our owners agree to increase dues.

Again, special assessments cause financial hardships and should be avoided if at all possible.

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