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ConchoP (Texas)
Posts: 208
Posted:
We are trying to save money on postage. We have to give a 20 day written notice for online voting. If we have to reconvene can we place those dates on the same letter as long as the dates are the required 14 days notice but no more than 60 days?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
It will depend on the wording within your governing documents and applicable State statutes.

Is this to adjourn and reconvene (keeping the same quorum requirements) or is this for a new meeting with new quorum requirement?
ConchoP (Texas)
Posts: 208
Posted:
It would a reconvene with new lower quorum requirements
ConchoP (Texas)
Posts: 208
Posted:
I should add that our bylaws state that each reconvened meeting must be given to each member not more than 60 nor less that fourteen days before the reconvened meeting. Each reconvened meeting the % goes down.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ConchoP on 07/10/2017 2:42 PM
It would a reconvene with new lower quorum requirements

In my opinion, that would require new notifications to be sent.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Concho

I'm a bit concerned as you may be mixing Annual Meeting notice requirements with electronic voting requirements. Since I do not have access to your Bylaws, my comments below pertain to my experience with HOAs in Texas in which we have lived and which we manage or have managed.

Typically your Bylaws will state that notice of the annual meeting must be given not earlier than some number of days prior to the meeting and not later than a smaller number of days prior to the meeting. In the Notice of the Annual Meeting package you may include a separate notice which states if the quorum requirements for the first meeting are not met, a second or Reconvened meeting will be take place at a specific date, place, and time--generally about five or ten minutes later than the first meeting. The second meeting often has a much lower threshold for a quorum which facilitates conducting an official Annual Meeting.

In my experience, the first meeting would be called to order. The President would ask the Secretary or management company to certify that a quorum was present in person or by proxy. If it is not, the President immediately adjourns the meeting. A few minutes later the second or Reconvened meeting is called to order and, if there is a quorum, the meeting proceeds.

Both the notice of the first Annual Meeting and notice of the Reconvened Annual Meeting may be included in the same Annual Meeting Notice mailing, so long as the notice window--the number of days in advance--is observed. If you include a Proxy in your Annual Meeting Notice package, it should contain language that the proxy is valid for both the Annual Meeting and any Reconvened Annual Meeting. It has been our practice to place the Annual Meeting Notice on one side of a sheet of paper and the Reconvened Annual Meeting Notice on the other side.

With respect to electronic voting, the Annual Meeting Notice Package may contain instructions for electronic voting. It has been my experience that electronic voting is allowed during a specific window of time prior to the annual meeting, with the 'polls closed' a few days prior to the meeting to facilitate tabulation. In Texas, an electronic vote also counts as a proxy for the annual meeting, a separate signed proxy is not required. However, an Association must establish processes to identify which property owners have voted electronically to validate or verify the proxy. The electronic voting service we used had us generate a specific password number for each property owner. Once that number had been used to log in, it could not be used again.

I have not seen Bylaws which specify a specific range of days for notice of electronic voting, hence my concern. However, your Bylaws could have been written recently and may incorporate language which has been added to the Texas Property Code in the last few years.
ConchoP (Texas)
Posts: 208
Posted:
We have no board,... long story with a big box of worms....

We want to do an online election or vote of owners not taken at a meeting.

I have a copy of Texas Property Code 209 that address how online ballots are used, and since it states it supersedes CC&, I would use it as a guide for elections.

How ever I don't see where TPC says anything about if a quorum is not met, nor does it say anything about how long online voting lasts.

So I thought I should go by what our bylaws state how many days you before you can reconvene. Which in our case is 14 days.

I figured we could open online voting for 5 days; if no quorum- reconvene online voting would open again in 14 days for 3 days; if no quorum- second reconvene would be in 14 days but then be face to face because the board makes the quorum; however we do not have a board so a motion to vote for a board from those in attendance would be necessary to place a board.

If I understand correctly because online voting is considered absentee voting, each ballot can be save and counted toward the next reconvene.

I just felt that because we have zero funds, and the developer agreed to do a mail out, we could put all the dates in one letter, as long as each date was with in the correct time span according to the bylaw.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Concho

I recall your association is in a bit of a muddle from your earlier posts. I have two suggestions and a comment for you:

1) You should not attempt to exclusively use electronic voting. Not everyone has a computer; others are not comfortable with certain on-line activities.

2) Consider using a third party on line voting service. The one we have previously used had a base rate of $79.00 per election; I think the upper limit for the $79.00 was 5000 ballots which I know you do not need. The service provides all the security, tabulating, and reporting.

It is true the Texas Property Code permits on line voting if it is not mentioned in the CC&Rs but it does not supersede your CC&Rs and Bylaws in most instances. It certainly does expand what may be permitted, but it does not mandate on-line voting must be used, only that it may be used.
ConchoP (Texas)
Posts: 208
Posted:
BiilH10 Your too kind to say we are a bit muddled...lol we are totally lost and in a nuclear holocaust. I can only pick on thing and go with it.

What company did you use for online voting?

We plan on using email,drop box (by our mail boxes)and postal service

I understand TPC allows the online voting and that we still have to use our Bylaws & CC&R to carryout everything. That is why if we don't meet our qourum we have 14 days before the next vote. Our bylaws are very loose,but I am using them along with TCP as my guide.

KonareL (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
require new notifications to be sent.

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