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StephanieD5 (Texas)
Posts: 2
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Our management company told us that they are dropping us as of 07/31/17. We do have an elected board members(pres., VP, sect & treasurer). But that is why the company is dropping us.......is because the president,the exact words from the company and they stated that the direction the president wants to take our community is not in compliance with our legal documents. They did say that if he ever gets off the board they would gladly have us back. What are our rights as of homeowners? what is our next step? Can we elect him off the board?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Check your Bylaws and Declaration for sections that discuss removing (1) an officer; and (2) a director. Remember that at many HOAs, a director simultaneously holds an officer position President, secretary or treasurer are typical officer positions. Usually an officer (such as President, secretary or treasurer) may be removed by board vote. A director typically can only be removed by a meeting of the members and many formal, legal steps accompanying a vote of the members.
StephanieD5 (Texas)
Posts: 2
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Thank you, AugustinD. Where do I find the Bylaws and Declaration? We are in the state of Texas.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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The simplest way to get rid of board members is to find enough people to vote to replace them at the annual election. Your governing docs or possibly state law might also provide for a recall election, but that is a more complex process.

Your CCRs, (aka covenents, deed restrictions, sometimes other names) are attached to the deed and should be available from your county. Some counties make this stuff available on-line for free, some charge, and some make you come in person to some office. Depending on your county, it could be the court house, county recorders office, comptroller's office, tax assessor, or some other office.

In most places bylaws don't need to be recorded, but they could be. If not, then the the association would be the primary source, although you could get a copy from a neighbor (assuming they have them) and the old MC might even provide you a copy if you ask nicely.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Hi StephanieD5, places you might locate a copy of the Declaration and Bylaws:

1.
When you bought your home, these might have been included in the disclosure paperwork. Many states now require such disclosure.

2.
Phone or email the current business manager to email or mail you a copy, or arrange to pick up a copy.

3.
Ask a current board member for a copy.

4.
Call your county clerk and see if they have a copy. Many counties require the developer to file the Declaration, and sometimes Bylaws, with the Plat (map of the grounds) as part of the development process. Doing so is considered "official publication" to all those contemplating moving to the HOA. Meaning all buyers are presumed to be aware of the rules in the Declaration and Bylaws.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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As others have said, your documents should have instructions on how to recall board members (check the bylaws, which dictate how the association is to be run). If there isn't anything specific, there should be instructions on how homeowners can call a special meeting - that's where you'd want to confront the president about his behavior and, if necessary, take a vote to remove him from the board. You'll also want to see how officers are elected - some documents state the board members appoint members from among themselves. If that's the case, you may want to put pressure on the other board members to remove this guy as president. He'll still be on the board until he gets voted off or the homeowners recall him.

But first....did the management company give specific reasons why it's not comfortable with this guy? You'll need that so you can bolster your argument for getting rid of him. And what's wrong with the rest of the board - they could have all taken action to an executive session to have a come to Jesus meeting with him. You may need to take a look at them and determine if several board members need to go bye bye.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By StephanieD5 on 06/29/2017 1:27 PM
Thank you, AugustinD. Where do I find the Bylaws and Declaration? We are in the state of Texas.

Your Decleration (CCR's) should be on file with your local County Records. Potentially if you purchased.a home in an HOA (in many states) this should have been supplied to you at the time of purchase ... If it is not done in your state that is potentially wrong and something you need to take up with your local State Legislators!!!

Your bylaws (if not on file with your Country Records) will be available through your HOA. Some states require these to also be filed ... so will depend on your state laws on where to look.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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Your deed 'should' reference the actual book and page number of the Covenants.

Go to your 'county seat' and speak to the 'register of deeds'.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Stephanie

Since you are located in Texas, and assuming your are in a homeowners association, you have an absolute right to review and obtain copies of the Governing Documents of your Association from the Association, most likely through the management company. There is no need for you to search county records, request county records, or contact anyone else.

Your Association has to have in place a process by which you may request to inspect, and request copies of, Association documents. See Section 209.005 of the TEXAS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS PROTECTION ACT better known as Section 209 of the Texas Property Code. Just Google Section 209 Texas Property Code.

My suggestion is you contact the management company and ask if they can send you a .pdf copy of your Bylaws, Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions, any amendments, and any other guidelines the Association may have developed over the years. If electronic files can be sent, there likely will be no charge. If you desire paper copies there will be a charge, also spelled out in Section 209, for the copies and possibly the time it takes to make the copies. Of course if they are mailed to you, you will be charged postage.

I think it would be a good idea if you can find out exactly why the management company is terminating the contract. If your president and others on the Board are not making good decisions, it may be time, as others have suggested, to remove them from office by following the processes described in your Bylaws.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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get your OWN copy from the register's office else you will not be POSITIVE the document is accurate or current

trust ... but verify
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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p.s. sounds like the MC is smart enough to send the wolves to the sharks
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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PitA probably not a bad idea but there is no guarantee amendments have been filed. Obtaining the documents from both sources would certainly not hurt anything.
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By StephanieD5 on 06/29/2017 12:14 PM
Our management company told us that they are dropping us as of 07/31/17. We do have an elected board members(pres., VP, sect & treasurer). But that is why the company is dropping us.......is because the president,the exact words from the company and they stated that the direction the president wants to take our community is not in compliance with our legal documents. They did say that if he ever gets off the board they would gladly have us back. What are our rights as of homeowners? what is our next step? Can we elect him off the board?

Hi Stephanie - You should have been provided a copy of the CC&R's when you purchased your property. Also the CC$R's should have been filed with the County Clerk in the County the subdivision is located in. Many Texas Counties now have an on-line portal when you can pull up and review the documents filed in the County. If they do not have an online portal you can request any records recorded against your property from the county also.

Texas law also mandates that members of HOA's be given an opportunity to review all legal documents that have been filed by the association - CC&R, Bylaws, ACC Rules and Regulations etc. We provide our members two locations to review and download copies of those documents (1) On the management company's website dedicated to our association and (2)On a closed Facebook site for our members.

If you wish to remove a board member the method of doing so will be in your governing documents.

You also have a right to review any correspondence between the management company and the board relating to the reason they wish to terminate the contract

hope this helps
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By BillH10 on 06/30/2017 2:03 PM
PitA probably not a bad idea but there is no guarantee amendments have been filed. Obtaining the documents from both sources would certainly not hurt anything.

In many states if Amendments are not filed with the County Records ... they are not legal. In most cases Amendments are supposed to be filed so they can be attached to property titles. Potentially if they are not filed ... they cannot be attached. I contend PitA is correct your County Records should have most updated information.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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Ya think?
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Janet, you are correct of course.

We own a small property management company. We took on a new client last year which had been professionally managed for about 20 years, then one of the unit owners was contracted with by the board to manage the Association--another story for another time. That lasted about 12 years until the Board elected to terminate his contract and engage a professional management company. For a variety of reasons, their contract was terminated less than 24 months later.

Going through the records, we found amendments had been made to the governing documents ten or so years ago but had never been filed with the county clerk. However, everyone involved was observing the changes contained within the amendments as if they had been filed.

That's why I responded to PitA's post as I did--obtaining a copy of the documents on file would not necessarily result in obtaining the documents being used to govern the Association. Of course enforcement of unfiled amendments could be questioned but addressing that matter would be way downstream from Stephanie's original objective of obtaining the documents under which the Association is operating. As soon as we discovered the unfiled documents, they were filed.

Further, there could be guidelines, rules, handbooks, etc. in effect which were not, and are not always required to be, filed.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By BillH10 on 07/01/2017 1:43 PM

Further, there could be guidelines, rules, handbooks, etc. in effect which were not, and are not always required to be, filed.

True ... as long as those other guidelines do not violate CCR's they are good. I just wanted the OP to be aware of the fact that Amendments need to be filed to be legal and binding. Many who post here are not as HOA savvy as you are ...
JoyceR2 (Virginia)
Posts: 156
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Absolutely right about this.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By StephanieD5 on 06/29/2017 12:14 PM
Our management company told us that they are dropping us as of 07/31/17. We do have an elected board members(pres., VP, sect & treasurer). But that is why the company is dropping us.......is because the president,the exact words from the company and they stated that the direction the president wants to take our community is not in compliance with our legal documents. They did say that if he ever gets off the board they would gladly have us back. What are our rights as of homeowners? what is our next step? Can we elect him off the board?

The easiest place to find your governing documents is the same management company that would love to come back under the right circumstances.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By StephanieD5 on 06/29/2017 12:14 PM
Our management company told us that they are dropping us as of 07/31/17. We do have an elected board members(pres., VP, sect & treasurer). But that is why the company is dropping us.......is because the president,the exact words from the company and they stated that the direction the president wants to take our community is not in compliance with our legal documents. They did say that if he ever gets off the board they would gladly have us back. What are our rights as of homeowners? what is our next step? Can we elect him off the board?

Generally speaking, the President may be removed from the office of Presidency by the entity which voted them into that office. If the Board elects the officers then the Board can vote to remove that person from that office. If the President was elected by the homeowners then the homeowners can petition to call a homeowners' meeting for the purpose of removing the President from that office and from the Board. Read your Bylaws to determine the course of action which would be required.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Probably the most useful document in Steph's case would be the bylaws. But I don't think that most states require that they be recorded. If so in TX, amendments to the bylaws also would not be recorded.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Probably the most useful document in Steph's case would be the bylaws. But I don't think that most states require that they be recorded. If so in TX, amendments to the bylaws also would not be recorded.

Are you on the board, Steph? Even if not, why does the prez have so much power that s/he can take the HOA in the wrong direction on her own?
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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In Texas, sellers of a home in an HOA are required to provide the buyer with a resale package which includes all the Association's governing documents. These should have been given to you at closing, probably on a CD ROM or jump drive.

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