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LV (South Carolina)
Posts: 38
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Being a new board is it a good idea to notify the homeowners how the process of violations is processed? We are starting to notice that homeowners think that individual board members are targeting homeowners. We had one homeowner visit a board member who lives across the street accusing her of reporting violations. We know for a fact that it was the management company who is reporting violations as it's their job. We want to send a note to the community of the process of violations so everyone is clear and that no one feels targeted. I think its a good idea so that everyone is aware of the process. Granted, homeowners can report violations but those are anonymous. Should we send a notification? Thanks
NigelB (Texas)
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Posted By LV on 06/26/2017 5:20 PM
Being a new board is it a good idea to notify the homeowners how the process of violations is processed? We are starting to notice that homeowners think that individual board members are targeting homeowners. We had one homeowner visit a board member who lives across the street accusing her of reporting violations. We know for a fact that it was the management company who is reporting violations as it's their job. We want to send a note to the community of the process of violations so everyone is clear and that no one feels targeted. I think its a good idea so that everyone is aware of the process. Granted, homeowners can report violations but those are anonymous. Should we send a notification? Thanks

Yes.

You should have some kind of policy in effect that is clear and unambiguous. It should specify what the community standards are and what the steps are when a violation of the CC&R's or Architectural Control Policy is noted.

Our community has removed the authority from the management company to cite for violations of our rules, and the authority is now vested solely in a committee of volunteers who perform a monthly drive noting infractions. The addresses are then provided to the management company which sends out the violation notice. We fully advised our membership so that they could be assured that if they get a notice of violation it was approved by their peers and not the management company.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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LV,

You should be informing residents and members of this process at least once per year through your Associations newsletter.

You should also make sure that every member has a copy of all the governing documents (including resolutions - which is likely how the enforcement policy was made).

We actually published a book with all of our governing docs.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Yes, LV. In a clear, concise newsletter article or letter to all Owners, spell out how--the process by which-- your HOA enforces the rules. In your case it's via the MC. Let them know each step, for example: 1. Warning ("courtesy") letter 2. 2nd letter, call to hearing to discuss violation with the board in executive session. 3. Board decision in writing within 10 days of the hearing.

The above's sort of ours and the steps to enforcement are in our Rules & Regulations and are partially determined by CA Civil Code.
LV (South Carolina)
Posts: 38
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Awesome, thank you all.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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Posted By LV on 06/26/2017 5:20 PM
Being a new board is it a good idea to notify the homeowners how the process of violations is processed? We are starting to notice that homeowners think that individual board members are targeting homeowners. We had one homeowner visit a board member who lives across the street accusing her of reporting violations. We know for a fact that it was the management company who is reporting violations as it's their job. We want to send a note to the community of the process of violations so everyone is clear and that no one feels targeted. I think its a good idea so that everyone is aware of the process. Granted, homeowners can report violations but those are anonymous. Should we send a notification? Thanks

But do you know for a fact the violation was not reported to the management company by a resident?

Does the management company actually patrol the neighborhood?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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LV,

If you do not have one in place already, the Board needs to adopt an enforcement policy.
The publication of this policy to all members should inform them.

Within the policy, address anonymous reporting (how the Association will respond).
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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TIM, your thoughts on not allowing anonymous complaints?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DouglasM6 on 07/10/2017 3:37 PM
TIM, your thoughts on not allowing anonymous complaints?

Doug,

It's going to depend on what the complaint is about.

An anonymous complaint about a house being painted the wrong color that can be verified by whomever is the enforcement arm of the Association (MC, Committee, Board), then there is not a big issue. It's as if the police receive an anonymous complaint about excessive noise and the police show up and hear the noise for themselves. Just as the police would become the complainant, the enforcement arm of the Association becomes the complainant against anything that can be verified by them.

However, being anonymous, the initial complainant cannot be informed by the Association of what they found (actual violation, not a violation, could not verify) and what actions (if any) the Association will take. This can cause frustration for everyone.

An anonymous complaint about someone not cleaning up after their pet may result in nothing being done by the Association as this can not be independently verified resulting in a complaint but no witness. Example: an anonymous report of someone running a red light. No ticket will be issued because there is no witness.

Do we take anonymous complaints, yes. But we don't like to.

KerryL1 (California)
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We'd take anonymous complaints, but haven't had one. If we did, we would verify the complaint via our mgmt. staff or directors. No Owner gets a courtesy letter unless the complaint is confirmed by a by a neutral party.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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I'm writing policies for the HOA hoping to have them done and board approved in the fall. I do not want to allow anonymous complaints. I've never liked anything being anonymous. If they are not willing to stand and be judged for complaining, then they should not speak. That's my thoughts. But I admit, I'm new at this.

Right now, and hopefully for a long time, my secretary is trained in conflict resolution. My plan is to have the policy state as step one, Contact the Secretary to initiate the complaint process. That will give her the opportunity to mitigate the issue. If she can't and a letter has to be sent out, we will.If that doesn't solve it, then we'll ask the violator to come before the board. At that time I feel they have the right to know who complained. If there still isn't a resolution, we move on to the fee schedule and assign a fine.

Should I open a new thread for this?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DouglasM6 on 07/11/2017 9:40 AM

I do not want to allow anonymous complaints. I've never liked anything being anonymous. If they are not willing to stand and be judged for complaining, then they should not speak. That's my thoughts.

I agree. However, not allowing such an avenue gets a lot of opinions from others.
We do require written complaints (email being fine) as this requirement, in my opinion, stops the phone calls.

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Posted By DouglasM6 on 07/11/2017 9:40 AM

My plan is to have the policy state as step one, Contact the Secretary to initiate the complaint process

Here is what we have (yes, legalize) and it badly needs reworded - something I've wanted to do but haven't had the time:

Section A: Actions Prior to Initiation of Formal Special Resolutions Process. Any Member, Tenant, officer, or management agent of the Association has the authority to request that a Member or Tenant cease or correct any act or omission which appears to be in violation of the aforementioned documents. Such informal requests should be made before the formal process is initiated.

Other than alleged covenant violations or alleged violations of the Design Guidelines, disputes between owners regarding activities within the private lots or living units or the appurtenant common areas, the Association will generally not become involved in the disputes or act on a complaint unless two or more persons have complained in writing.

Section B: Written Complaint. If the actions described in Section A prove unsuccessful, the Enforcement Procedures shall be initiated upon the filing of a written complaint by any Member, tenant, officer, director or management agent of the Association (the Complainant) with a Board member or, if any, the Managing Agent who shall forward the Complaint to the Architectural Control Committee. The complaint shall include a written statement of charges which shall set forth in clear and concise language the acts or omissions with which the offending party (the Respondent) is charged, to the end that the Respondent will be able to prepare a defense. The complaint shall specify the specific provisions of the Governing Documents which the respondent is alleged to have violated and shall contain supporting facts. The complaint must be as specific as possible as to times, dates, places and persons involved

It goes on about the process which, due the legalize, is very confusing and long winded.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
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Thanks for that. I'm sure mine will not be that confusing. I'm very lucky to have very simple CC&R's in a very small community.

I'll start a new thread when I'm ready to write the policies.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 07/10/2017 8:57 PM
We'd take anonymous complaints, but haven't had one. If we did, we would verify the complaint via our mgmt. staff or directors. No Owner gets a courtesy letter unless the complaint is confirmed by a by a neutral party.

Regardless of how we receive a complaint, it is considered/investigated by a BOD Member. If the complaint is valid and one we consider within our jurisdiction, the BOD notify's the management company and they send a violation warning notice. Somebody has to play the "heavy" in the complaint process and our MC accepts that as part of their duties.

Quite often complaints are not always under the jurisdiction of a BOD and in those cases we ignore them until someone presses the issue (rarely) and we inform them so.
KerryL1 (California)
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Pretty much like we do it, John. The, as time also points out, the complainant becomes the HOA, not an individual homeowner.

I think some violations--perhaps involving safety-- wouldn't get reported if residents believed their identity would be revealed to the alleged violator. Confirmation by a staffer or director handles this very easily & nicely. I'm not sure what revealing the identity of the complainant accomplishes if the matter is an HOA rule or something that affects several in the community.

Curious, Douglas, are you saying your have a private sec'y to handle your HOA correspondence? Or are you referring to the Board secretary?
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 07/12/2017 4:32 PM
Pretty much like we do it, John. The, as time also points out, the complainant becomes the HOA, not an individual homeowner.

I think some violations--perhaps involving safety-- wouldn't get reported if residents believed their identity would be revealed to the alleged violator. Confirmation by a staffer or director handles this very easily & nicely. I'm not sure what revealing the identity of the complainant accomplishes if the matter is an HOA rule or something that affects several in the community.

Curious, Douglas, are you saying your have a private sec'y to handle your HOA correspondence? Or are you referring to the Board secretary?

Board Secretary.

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
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Our Board has no intentions of accepting complaints on anything other than what is in the CC&R's and rules and regulations. People complaining about noise are told to call the County. Barking Dogs, same thing. Shooting illegal fireworks on holidays, same thing.

The complaints I expect to get that we will have to act on:

Too many pets. It's written in our CC&R's that we allowed 2 pets. (dogs or cats)

Junk cars. We have a few lots that have old broken down cars that are violating the rules.

Also- our covenants say a detached building/shed/garage can be no more than 12'x12'. There was no active Board for about 5 years, other than the treasurer. During that time two of the residents asked for permission to build larger buildings and was told "go ahead". One of them says they it in writing, but can't find it. I'm not going to worry about it. The board, in my opinion, is now obligated to issue a variance to that rule to anyone wanting to build a garage, IF they ask for it. Fair is Fair.

One question I'd like to ask of you all, if there has been no complaint from a member but the Board, or a Board member, knows of a violation, are they legally required to act?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Are they Legally required to act on a violation they are aware of? I doubt they are legally bound to do so. Should they is the real question.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Sorry about my below (& typical) typos. I was referring to Tim.

Of course you should only enforce rules that exist, Douglas.

Check your CC&Rs. Most seem to have an "enforcement" article. These say that the HOA, i.e., the board, would enforce the covenants, rules., etc. or an Owner may. So if an Owner complains about an obvious violation and the Board refuses to act on it, the Owner may take the matter to court.

Like John, I don't think you must, by law, act to enforce the rules. Enforcing the rules is a part of the job description, however. And rules are usually easily changed by the Board. Now, covenants are a different animal and usually take a high % of approval votes to delete or change.

I also wonder if you'd like to think further about the out building topic. Your Board can enforce the existing covenant and grandfather in the two that're in violation. When folks bought in your HOA, they did not expect to see a bunch of large outbuildings, so, imo, it's not "fair" to tme if such start sprouting i up all around them.

What size is your HOA, Douglas?
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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20 detached single family homes on lots that are all larger than 1.25 acres.

How can we "grandfather" the two larger buildings in if they were built after the covenants were created and files?

I suppose I can give them Variances and deny future requests and hope no body takes legal action.

Our Board will enforce the rules. I just want a complaint files by someone other than a board member first. Of course a board member can file a complaint but the board we have right now is a great group. They really believe in letting people live their lives.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DouglasM6 on 07/14/2017 9:20 AM

How can we "grandfather" the two larger buildings in if they were built after the covenants were created and files?

Unless your governing documents specify grandfathering, it doesn't exist.

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Posted By DouglasM6 on 07/14/2017 9:20 AM

I suppose I can give them Variances and deny future requests and hope no body takes legal action.

The Board can only grant variances if the governing docs provide the Board the authority to grant variances.

If this is a covenant (vs. an architectural guideline), then the Board has four choices:

1) Enforce the covenants - However, the Association should expect to pay for damages to the owner since approval was sought and received in good faith. Damages being the cost to fix it.

2) Don't enforce that covenant - However, this can lead to potential legal action by anyone denied a request to build similar out buildings. Such legal action may end up voiding that one covenant.

3) Amend the governing docs to allow such buildings - Takes time and energy

4) Pretend that the covenant doesn't exist and grant any similar request - Basically, kicking the can down the road for a future board.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/14/2017 1:30 PM

Unless your governing documents specify grandfathering, it doesn't exist.


My reply was to the notion of Grandfathering in general. By definition, the covenant would have to be written after the buildings were built to make Grandfathering even possible. I've read most of the docs and have not seen it. I don't intend to use it.

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Posted By TimB4 on 07/14/2017 1:30 PM

The Board can only grant variances if the governing docs provide the Board the authority to grant variances.


The Board can vote to change the bylaws if needed. I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

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Posted By TimB4 on 07/14/2017 1:30 PM

If this is a covenant (vs. an architectural guideline), then the Board has four choices:

1) Enforce the covenants - However, the Association should expect to pay for damages to the owner since approval was sought and received in good faith. Damages being the cost to fix it.

2) Don't enforce that covenant - However, this can lead to potential legal action by anyone denied a request to build similar out buildings. Such legal action may end up voiding that one covenant.

3) Amend the governing docs to allow such buildings - Takes time and energy

4) Pretend that the covenant doesn't exist and grant any similar request - Basically, kicking the can down the road for a future board.

It is a covenant.

I'm going with #2 and #4.

We don't have apathy in the HOA anymore. We always get 80% of the lots at meetings. We just don't get people that want to be on the board. I strongly believe the board we have now will be in place for years and years. As long as we are fair, we should be fine. I always try to picture myself standing in front of a judge explaining our decisions. It makes it easier to stay fair and unbiased.

The buildings are not huge. Maybe out of compliance by a couple feet in each direction.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DouglasM6 on 07/14/2017 2:01 PM

Posted By TimB4 on 07/14/2017 1:30 PM

The Board can only grant variances if the governing docs provide the Board the authority to grant variances.


The Board can vote to change the bylaws if needed. I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

Since this is a covenant, the authority to grant a variance to the covenant needs to be within the CC&Rs.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With Tim, a lower level document, e.g., the bylaws may not contradict the convenants.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Douglas

Typically the BOD does not have the ability to change a Covenant nor a Bylaw. Typically owners must vote to do so.

BOD's can make Rules and Regulations but these R&R's cannot contradict the Covenants nor Bylaws.

In the case of the larger out buildings you say they are not that much over sized and no one has complained. One way to deal with this is if one complains then say a variance was granted. Then decide if you want to change the Covenants to include the new, larger size buildings or just continue to grant variances. Keep in mind if granting variances a later BOD may not do so thus the chickens could come home to roost.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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Thanks for the replies. I'll look at the covenants again.

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