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TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Oh my gosh I found my way back here LOL What an adventure.
Okay here's my situation I'm looking for guidance with. We have a 15'X40' pool for the development, of 65 houses. Yes, it's pretty small. So we have had a new generation of families with kids and younger people move in. They like to party and they bring so many people to the pool that residents are uncomfortable. Not to mention the extra costs of these partiers maint. of the pool. We started out with one broken chair the end of May now we have 5 and no one knows how they got damaged.
Help!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It's hard to do this if there is no monitoring of the pool entrance or area. We had a $100 damage deposit and a $35 clubhouse rental fee if someone wanted to rent our clubhouse. Which was attached to the pool. However, one did not have "exclusive use" of the pool when renting. We did not return the damage deposit if anything was missing or damaged.

Now there is usually a limit of guest one may bring to the pool. However, how that is enforced is up to your HOA. Do you have a designated person to keep track? Do you have charges for using the pool? No one wants to be the bad person to tell anyone to get out.

Honestly, your not going to be able to control this behavior/parties if that is the culture of your HOA. Some may not be part of that culture and thus will complain. All you can do is to convey to the members in the HOA that for every piece of broken furniture/equipment is going to be passed along to ALL members. They can expect the dues to rise or to pass a special assessment. Usually when hit in the pocket, then people will start managing themselves better.

Former HOA President
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Thanks for the response. No one monitors the pool door. we don't have a club house, but are thinking about charging a fee for parties to cover chemical expenses. The pool is now 30 years old and needing repairs. Cosmetic really. I like the idea of passing this own to the home owners to let them decide.
You have more faith in the people than I do. What I've seen it's all about them and what they want to do. They have very little regard for anyone else.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You could urge your Board to make a rule limiting guests to x per household. The problem is: who would enforce it?
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
We did that and the enforcement is the issue. We have limited the number of guests to five. Since our pool is so small and we always want to make sure the Home Owners can have access. But larger groups are coming in anyway. Our pump is old and I'm afraid that the overload will cause a shut down of the pool because we are not in a financial space to put more money into that pool, for just a hand full of Home Owner's and numerous non resident guests.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Remind us, Tracye; are you on the Board?

Whether you are or not, doesn't your HOA have a reserves account for replacement & repair of aspects of your pool, e.g., pumps & motors; resurfacing?

Sheila may dive into this thread and her HOA did shut down the pool. She may have tips.

TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Yes, I'm the VP. The problem is that the previous board was running rogue and had about depleted the funds we had. So we are trying to build back up and get some reserves in place. But it's hard since so much of the community was neglected for those few years.

The pools rules were published, same rules the 2009 board used though the number of guest were reduced and parties prohibited until we could determine a fee to cover costs of non residents over running the pool as guests. I think the home owners need to decide what they want to do and not leave it to a board who's members are so new to the development. With a pool this small if a couple people have a party then that limits access to the pool for residents.Not to mention the expenses.

Would love to talk to Sheila.

That's my suggestion is to close the pool until the Home Owners can come up with some rules , and abide by State mandated rules, that would be an asset for everyone. It's obvious that the residents, a hand full and some are renters, are not going to abide by the rules and the board doesn't want to babysit them.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
We are having a board meeting tomorrow at 6p.m. and no agenda yet. I was told by email that some of the pool issues needed to be voted on. I ask which ones so I could review them and do some investigating on the complaints and or concerns and they haven't provided said concerns. I think it was a slip up on the President's part, and the board would be blind sided with it. I manage the pool care, maint., and certified pool operator. Looks like any concerns would have been forwarded to me to research. I don't want this to be a bullying of the party people against the other home owners. The pool should be a safe environment for all home owners.
Still waiting.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
At the meeting specify in order to make an informed vote, you are making a motion to suspend any votes on pool issues until you can do research and put together a report for the Board. This should be done by the following board meeting.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Tim's exactly right, Trayce. Do not discuss this at tomorrow's meeting. Make a motion to postpone. Hope you'll have support of the other directors. There needs to be way more preparation & research.

How is it your prez can make these last minute agenda additions? Doesn't NC have any laws about posting agendas x days before an open meeting? This will be an open meeting, right?
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Thanks!
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
This will just be a board member meeting. Though I'm thinking the agenda has to be out 24 hours prior to the meeting.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
I really appreciate everyone's input here. Just wanted to tell you that.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Must the 24 hours be posted? In other words how must the 24 hours notice be communicated? Must it include an agenda?

Board meetings aren't open to homeowners in NC?
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
They can request to be heard and allowed 15-20 minutes to discuss the topic they have provided, then they will be excused so that we can discuss others matters which may be sensitive for other home owners to hear. Person behind in dues, problems with a person, etc.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Kerry,

Per NC statutes, not for Board meetings.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
I think the 24 hr. rule applies though I haven't seen it anywhere. We usually observe that, but she still hasn't posted an agenda and two members, of 5 members, have already cancelled. So suggested we reschedule. Maybe she will announce the issues since she has time now. I hope so.
8:08 p,m. Eastern
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Most CC&R's limit guest to the pool as either 2 per household or 2 per deeded owner, in addition most CC&R's prohibit any type of "partying"
at the pool. That would include picnicking, BBQing food, booze etc. primarily water or sodas, and that is usually piggybacked off of local heath department regulations. Has your board set up any rules of conduct? perhaps they need to assemble some sort of rules, post them at the pool and most importantly, ENFORCE THEM.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LetA on 06/25/2017 5:16 PM
Most CC&R's limit guest to the pool as either 2 per household or 2 per deeded owner, in addition most CC&R's prohibit any type of "partying"
at the pool. That would include picnicking, BBQing food, booze etc. primarily water or sodas, and that is usually piggybacked off of local heath department regulations. Has your board set up any rules of conduct? perhaps they need to assemble some sort of rules, post them at the pool and most importantly, ENFORCE THEM.

Party Pooper.......LOL
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
LOL yes we have rules but the board doesn't want to be the babysitters of the home owners. I'm the bad girl here because I'm the only one that enforces rules. They can have 5 guest per household, they drink and smoke around the pool. But if allowed to have large groups, it would hinder someone going to pool and wanting relax at their pool because of guests non-residents. I think here it's up to the Assoc. about alcohol and smoking. Like I said this pool is small, a modified bird bath really. They say it's 20X40 but it looks smaller to me.
Here are our pool rules, plus State mandated signs are up.

WHOA Pool Rules for year 2017

1. Access to pool facilities is for use and enjoyment of XXXXXXX residents ONLY!

2. Non resident guests MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT Property owner or Adult Tenant.
Limit of 5 people, including Home Owner/Tenant. The pool is small and there is limited chairs to support larger groups. The pool was designed to facilitate residents only. Larger groups of people place an unnecessary burden on the home owners for chemicals, and access by others. Please be considerate of other residents here. There are guidelines governing the amount of people allowed in the pool. See
15A NCAC 18A .2529 USER LOADING
Residents will be personally responsible for their guests actions and behaviors.

3. Resident CHILDREN under 16 years old must be accompanied by an Adult Resident.

4 . No one is allowed to swim alone. No flotation devices in pool. No Lifeguard on duty, swim at your own risk.

5. No glass containers inside the fenced area.
(This will be strictly enforced)

6. NO DIVING OR RUNNING ****NO SPITTING or Blowing NOSE in the pool

7. NO littering, the pool operator is only there to check chemicals once daily. All trash should be placed in a receptacle. This will also be enforced. Any personal items left at the pool over 24 hrs. will be disposed of.

8. No pets permitted.

9. Swimming pool hours are 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Anyone in the pool area before or after these hours , without prior approval from the pool operator, will forfeit pool privileges.

10. Keep the pool gate closed at all times. You are responsible for making sure the door is secure when you enter and leave.

11. No loud music or boisterous behavior. Please be considerate of the houses surrounding the pool.

12. The EMERGENCY phone dials directly into 911 when the receiver is picked up, they have the pool address on record.

13. Persons with vomiting or diarrhea in past two weeks is prohibited from entering the pool.
Persons with sore or inflamed eyes, colds, nasal or ear discharge, boils, skin rash, or open wounds, or other acute skin or body infection are prohibited from entering the pool.

Anyone observed allowing anyone into the pool area who is not a resident or guest of a present resident, or resident of Williamsgate will lose their pool privilege.

We want all XXXXX residents to have a safe, healthy and happy summer at the pool. Please take care of what we have and keep the pool clean. Please report any violations to a board member, XXX-XXX-XXXX [email protected]

Pool parties will be prohibited due to the load capacity, and lack of access for residents. This may change in the future once a reasonable fee can be determined, by the board. Residents will be advised if this is changed but it’s not expected to this year.

There may be times when the pool is closed for maintenance, or from unforeseen circumstances. A pool closed sign will be posted on the door and please respect that, and know that work is being done for the safety and well being of the residents.

No parking in front of the pool door, blocking a fire hydrant, other resident’s driveways, or limiting access for vehicles traveling on Brookside Ct. (This will be enforced)

Other STATE mandated rules are posted around the pool, please make yourself aware of these rules
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
LOL!!!
RayG3 (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I'm Pres of my HOA (125 homes) and one large pool. We've had problems with pool issues like you for many years but after some work I believe we figured it out.

We're in CA so we have state required signs posted around the pool. One of the requirements include posting a max occupancy for both our pool and jacuzzi so our signs reflect that.

First thing we did is update our pool rules and on the top it says that any violation is subject to $100 PER VIOLATION plus the cost of the cleaning vendor. We also require homeowners (and/or their renters), fill out a pool registration form for any function (parties, etc.). If a renter causes the violation, our management company sends the violation to both the homeowner and tenant. But the homeowner gets charged the violation fee. It's up to the homeowner to pass that cost to the renter. Often we find the issue is that the homeowner did not tell their tenant what the pool rules are but that is their responsibility. By sending the bill to the homeowner (and not the tenant), it gets added to the homeowners HOA account. This also makes the homeowner more accountable too.

In our HOA, we can not reserve the pool for exclusive use (ie. for parties) so we have homeowners register the party/function. However, regardless if they fill out the form or not the pool rules and violation charges are still in effect.

The hardest part is to have evidence. In the past, we know which homeowner (or tenant) is causing the violation and our manager just sends the violation letter/bill to them. So far we have been lucky that no one has challenged us and demanded proof. Now we have installed cameras around the pool. Since then our manager has been able to send violation letters with photo evidence. We found parties where renters rented giant (15ft high) inflatable water slides and kids sliding into the pool. Pet dogs swimming in the pool, smoking, drinking alcohol in glass bottles, leaving trash all over the pool.

Hope this might give you some ideas.

Ray
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
That does help. The state mandated rules posted but not the HOA rules. I agree , getting in the Home Owners pockets is the way to go. Most of our problems here are with renters and their kids. I think we figured out the occupancy for this pool is 43 people. Sounds like a lot for that pool. Which would give each person a 3'X5' space.
Thanks!
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Security cameras, and someone willing to review them following complaints, has reduced the rowdiness and excessive guests at my condo.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Good ideas fro Ray, Tracye.

Meantime, and I can see your hard work, but I think your own rules are too detailed for posting and have too many words in them.

In addition, we don't permit any music.

DO set up a fine schedule.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I agree. The pool rules are to lengthy. No need to explain a restriction. Just state it. Also I like the No Music rule. Let them use their ear buds if they want music.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:

In addition, we don't permit any music.


Is loud a cappellla singing permitted ?

Barbershop quartets ?

Aaaaah soooole a miaaaaaa
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
The pool rules are a voted on set, so they stand. Most of it is State Mandated rules anyway. Only a small portion of people use the pool and we have to advise all home owners of the rules prior to the pool opening so they will be advised prior to walking in the pool gate.
The pool is only feet away from surrounding homes. So we get complaints of the loud music and too many people making a lot of noise. I like the no music idea, and just have the people there wear their ear buds.

Also like the camera idea.

Just read in the By Laws that Home Owners/members, can delegate their privilege to the common areas to a tenant but that it has to be done in writing and filed with the secretary. We only allow one pool key per house and they are non-copy keys.

These are some great ideas and thoughts. Thanks everyone.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
DHEC is the permit authority for pools in S.C.

Our 'in house' pool rules:

SFHOA POOL RULES

FOLLOW ALL POSTED DHEC REGULATIONS
It is required that all members, residents, and their guests follow both DHEC and SFHOA Pool Rules so that everyone may enjoy a safe, happy, and healthy time.
1. It is recommended that you do not swim alone.
2. Please use our shower before entering the pool.
3. Glass or china is NOT PERMITTED in pool area.
4. ALL FOOD and/or DRINK MUST BE CONSUMED WHILE AT A TABLE, not poolside.
5. Grills or other cooking methods are NOT allowed in pool area because of pool dimensions / DHEC.
6. TAKE ALL YOUR TRASH HOME.
7. SMOKERS: Butt pails and trash bags are available by kitchen door.
8. A “RECYCLE” container is on porch to be used only for cans & plastic bottles.
9. DHEC RULE: No incontinent or diarrheal person allowed in pool.
10. DHEC RULE: Persons under the influence of DRUGS or ALCOHOL are prohibited from pool.
11. Floats & rafts are allowed – please be considerate.
12. BALL THROWING, HORSEPLAY, RUNNING, or EXCESSIVE SPLASHING are prohibited.
13. All GUESTS or NONMEMBERS: Wear the required green I.D. BRACELET while at the pool.
14. DHEC RULE: NO PETS allowed in the pool area.
15. DHEC RULE: CHILDREN UNDER 16 must be accompanied by an adult.
16. CLOSE THE UMBRELLA before you leave area.
By affirmation of Board of Directors, SFHOA, Inc.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Note rule #9

This rule, while being nondiscriminatory, effectively bans BOTH babies AND the 'cranky' old folk.

Note rule #12

YEAH, let the nonboisterous fun continue.

Should anyone complain, in writing as required, to the BOD we simply close the pool for a proper and thorough 48 hour investigation.

Spring and fall - no one cares.
Dog Days of summer - complaints stop.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Pool are a nightmare and money pit that no one wants to pony up for.
Thanks for the feedback
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TracyeH on 06/25/2017 5:29 PM
LOL yes we have rules but the board doesn't want to be the babysitters of the home owners.

Your real problem isn't the pool. It's this.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Can you expand on this thought?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Your Board can make new pool rules, e.g., no music, Tracye.

We have high rise condos on two sides of our pool so we do not permit loud behavior or music. Smoking also isn't permitted in our common areas, so no mess there. We don't ban alcohol. Our rules are similar to PitA's.

I agree that it's harder with no manager or any staff to keep residents in line.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Your Board can make new pool rules, e.g., no music, Tracye.

We have high rise condos on two sides of our pool so we do not permit loud behavior or music. Smoking also isn't permitted in our common areas, so no mess there. We don't ban alcohol. Our rules are similar to PitA's.

I agree that it's harder with no manager or any staff to keep residents in line.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
There are board members that go to the pool but don't want to confront anyone. I don't go up there.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By TracyeH on 06/25/2017 12:53 PM
Yes, I'm the VP. The problem is that the previous board was running rogue and had about depleted the funds we had. So we are trying to build back up and get some reserves in place. But it's hard since so much of the community was neglected for those few years.

The pools rules were published, same rules the 2009 board used though the number of guest were reduced and parties prohibited until we could determine a fee to cover costs of nonresidents over running the pool as guests. I think the home owners need to decide what they want to do and not leave it to a board who's members are so new to the development. With a pool this small if a couple people have a party then that limits access to the pool for residents.Not to mention the expenses.

Would love to talk to Sheila.

That's my suggestion is to close the pool until the Home Owners can come up with some rules, and abide by State mandated rules, that would be an asset for everyone. It's obvious that the residents, a hand full and some are renters, are not going to abide by the rules and the board doesn't want to babysit them.

Hello there! I read some of the responses - all good ones - and I must say everytime I read about pool drama it makes me glad we don't have that issue anymore!

If you're going to have a pool, you must limit the number who use it because the pool really exists for residents, not the whole damned town, especially if it's a small pool - I don't know how big our in-ground pool was. We issued two passes per household - residents didn't need them, but someone living in the house had to accompany the guests - you couldn't just sign them in and go home, like some of the grandparents tried to do. If you were delinquent in assessments, you didn't get any access and neither did your tenants if you rented out your home. Neither you nor the tenants could get in on another homeowner's pass either.

To enforce the passes, you'll need a pool monitor who can stand up to people yelling and sometimes cussing (and acting as if they might do worse.) Ours was an off-duty cop - his predecessor was a college student who got really intimated by teenage boys honked off when their friends couldn't get in. The monitor received a list of current residents, so if you weren't listed, you had to go home and come back when you were paid up. The monitor also had the authority to kick people out if they got too rowdy.

If things got really hairy, he'd contact our property manager who could authorize him to shut the session down altogether - the board would get a summary of what happened. Those reports could lead to misbehaving residents (or their guests) would be banned for a week or two, depending on what happened, and I think we had one case where we had to ban one family altogether (it didn't help that they'd also rented the clubhouse and left trash everywhere). So, pool passes and monitors (someone who takes no mess) are vital and yanking access to delinquent people may slow down some of the nonsense.

On a long term basis, we closed our pool for the same reason you've cited - really low reserves, an old pool that needed a lot of repairs and low usage. You'll need facts and figures to share with the homeowners so they'll understand what's at stake - I suspect a homeowner vote would be necessary to get rid of it for good, as was the case in our community. Our board looked at the pool expenses over the last five years to see how much they'd gone up before it was closed (due to delinquencies and needs in other areas). Since the pool stayed shut for 4 years, we got estimates on how much it would cost to bring it back up to speed or just get a new one altogether - the numbers were terrifying and would result in assessments well above the 5% max the board van increase them without homeowner approval (and you know how THAT would end). It also helped that the water company had announced higher fees partly to begin updating the antiquated sewer system (and because it had been sold to a private company - so much for privatization of government services!)

We took all that information and presented it to the homeowners with our recommendation on closing it. It took us about 18 months to get enough votes (even with sending stamped self-addressed envelopes with the ballots - twice!) However, it was a 2-1 margin in favor of closing it and that was that.
So let's recap - check your documents first to see what's required, send an information sheet to homeowners on the pros and cons and why the board is making its recommendation, inviting homeowners to ask more questions or offer alternatives. Depending on the size of your community, you may even want to hold a special homeowner's meeting on the subject.

By the way, for the people who will yap about losing property value - property values are subjective and it's hard to say if having a pool or not, or any other amenity is a deal maker or breaker (depends on who you talk to). In our case, previous boards wanted to pull the plug but didn't because they were also concerned about property value, so when I was on the board that finally pulled the trigger, we spoke to several realtors. Nearly everyone said it didn't make a huge difference to our community (our delinquency rate was a bigger issue at the time) and in fact, by putting the swimming pool money towards something else, like sidewalk replacement, we would have a better shot at increasing property value. I don't know how all that ended up because I haven't sold my house, but I do know virtually no one screamed when the pool was finally closed for good (even the folks who voted to keep it).

That's a lot, I know, but I hope it helps!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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A final thought (and then I'll stop for now!)

We also sent letters to homeowners announcing passes would be sent out AFTER they signed an agreement stating they would comply with the pool rules and would ensure their guests did the same. When the property manager got the signed agreement, the passes were sent - and owner-landlords would have to sign the agreement on their tenants' behalf and then forward the passes to them (we didn't send them directly to tenants).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Thank you, that helps a lot. Wouldn't be nice if common sense would come back in style and you didn't have to babysit adults at a pool?
I think if a vote were to be taken the majority would close the pool. Here it wouldn't effect the price of the home. May help sell it but that's about it.
Thanks again for taking the time to share this.
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
I want the home owners to enjoy the pool when ever they want to. It's not a private home owners pool to invite non-residents to on a regular basis. The liability is an issue. Increase of pool supplies. Since this pool sits right in the houses, there's no restrooms there, so guess what? We are not required to have restrooms at the pool but you would think people would just walk to their house and pee, but one tenant said he was going to pee in the pool anyway cause everyone else does.
Plus the wear and tear on our older pool. It's all about themselves though.We have a lot of elderly people here that never go to the pool. Who can't afford assessments for repairs from parties and individuals not taking care of the pool. We have had an influx of renters and children in the neighborhood. So things are changing in the community. You would think you wouldn't have to tell someone to have a swim diaper on a kid that is not potty trained though. smh
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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You would think you wouldn't have to tell someone to have a swim diaper on a kid that is not potty trained though. smh


Are you referring to what the CDC calls a 'fecal teabag'?

Simply ban incontinent persons from the pool.

Enforce by closing and 'shocking' the pool if rule violated.

I GUARANTEE the 'permitting authority' for the pool already has a rule banning 'diarrheal' persons.

Most 'authorities' have a REQUIRED pool rule sign posting requirement.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
As far as I can tell, from maybe an hour of online research, the CDC never used the term "fecal teabag". It's accurate enough, but some denizen of the internet seems to have coined it on a cruise ship discussion website.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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The Center for Disease Control ("CDC") has adopted a "Vessel Sanitation Program" that strictly prohibits children in diapers or who are not toilet trained from using public swimming pools and whirlpool spas on cruise ships. This is to prevent pool contamination and the spread of gastrointestinal illnesses.

Fecal Tea Bags. The CDC has determined that swim diapers are not effective in preventing contamination. Although swim diapers prevent solid feces from escaping (assuming they are properly fitted and changed often), they cannot prevent leakage of urine or diarrhea, which contain infection-causing germs. Some refer to swim diapers as "fecal tea bags." See news release by the National Swimming Pool Foundation.


You are correct.

The CDC merely bans diapers in pools or spas(on cruise ships).

The National Swimming Pool Foundation coined the term.

The term, however, is ACCURATE.

We, in our HOA, merely ban incontinent or diarrheal persons from entry into the pool. PERIOD

Young or old, makes 'no-never-mind'.

PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
as per: http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20150701/yucky-pools#1

Studies show the average person brings into the pool:
•0.14 grams of poop
•One or two soda cans’ worth of sweat
•One cup of pee
•And billions of skin microbes

Children can carry as much as 10 grams of poop into the pool.

This is bad enough WITHOUT 'swim diapers', a/k/a 'fecal tea bags'.

Why would any RATIONAL person allow ANY incontinent person into the pool ?

TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Not to mention the oils from lotions and hair gels.
I don't go into our pool and I have just been told that the president and non dutied positions are at the pool when people are violating the rules and say nothing. So why should I care.They thought it was funny.
MananaC (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Can you please tell me what can I do?2m ago,my five year old boy accidentally pooped in the pool,I paid penalty for pool service and I was told he can not go back to the pool is this correct?either I told them he Will used safety diapers they do not give us permission go back to the pool.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Quote:
Posted By MananaC on 06/29/2017 1:18 AM

2m ago

you were at the pool at 1:15 in the morning?

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Posted By MananaC on 06/29/2017 1:18 AM

I paid penalty for pool service and I was told he can not go back to the pool is this correct?

Based on what you posted, I expect that this is certainly what was said.

If you mean, can the HOA ban your child from the pool, I don't think so.
However, it may require that you obtain the services of a local attorney to force the issue.

Before looking for an attorney, ask for a meeting with the Board and try to work out a compromise.

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Posted By MananaC on 06/29/2017 1:18 AM

either I told them he Will used safety diapers they do not give us permission go back to the pool.

If you tried to discuss this issue in the heat of the moment, it's likely nobody was in a listening mood.
Do some research on FHA statutes (so you are prepared) and calmly discuss the issue with the Board.
The goal is a compromise on use of the pool until your child is fully toilet trained.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
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Quote:
Posted By MananaC on 06/29/2017 1:18 AM
Can you please tell me what can I do?2m ago,my five year old boy accidentally pooped in the pool,I paid penalty for pool service and I was told he can not go back to the pool is this correct?either I told them he Will used safety diapers they do not give us permission go back to the pool.

If I were in your shoes, then I would assume YES. Since my kid is not potty trained and pooped in the pool, he can no longer use the pool until he is potty trained. And, I'll add, that as a responsible parent I would accept the verdict. People now have to swim in the waters your kid pooped in. own it.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
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Posted By MananaC on 06/29/2017 1:18 AM
Can you please tell me what can I do?2m ago,my five year old boy accidentally pooped in the pool,I paid penalty for pool service and I was told he can not go back to the pool is this correct?either I told them he Will used safety diapers they do not give us permission go back to the pool.

I'm going to add one thing, question actually. In the pool rules does it say anything about Non-continent persons using the pool?
PitA
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... If you mean, can the HOA ban your child from the pool, I don't think so ...


However, the HOA can ban ALL incontinent persons.

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