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TimM11
Posts: 354
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I'm on the BOD for my HOA, and we've used a small local property management company for quite some time. We've been happy with them and don't plan on changing anytime soon. That being said, since I've personally never had experience working with a large or medium-sized property management company, for those of you who have, what are the advantages of doing so? I know that my HOA used to use one of the big national companies a long time ago and was not satisfied with their performance, hence the switch to a local one, but surely there are reasons why some HOAs would prefer the larger management companies, so I'm curious as to what they are and what, if anything, we'd be missing out on by sticking with a small management company. Looking forward to your feedback!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Can you tell us a little about your HOA? How many units or homes? Many amenities?
TracyeH (North Carolina)
Posts: 58
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Did the dues go up a lot when you switched over?
TimM11
Posts: 354
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Thanks for your responses. We're a townhome-style condominium development of 50-100* units. No amenities other than some grassy common areas with trees, shrubs, rock beds, etc. As for the dues, they went up about 15% after we switched to the current company because the reserves were lower than what they needed to be, but I don't know if that had anything to do with the other company not monitoring them properly. We've had other increases since then too, but the last one was six years ago, and the previous one was five years before that.

* I'm deliberately being vague on the size here for anonymity purposes.
JH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 30
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We've had two small and one medium management companies over the last couple of years, and we're very happy with one of the small companies now. My sense is that it matters less than it once did; small companies have access to vendors to contract out some more specialized services to third-parties that probably weren't available 10 years ago. For example, without naming companies, our small company contracts out to a single provider for a web-portal, accounting, cloud-storage, invoicing, check-writing, answering service, etc. That way they don't have to maintain all of those in-house, and the cost of providing those services is spread out of a huge number of communities. Not all small companies use these kinds of services, but they're available and common enough that it doesn't immediately put a small company at a huge disadvantage relative to their larger peers when providing most management functions.

The larger companies allege that they have greater, more expedited access to contracting services. It's one of those things that might make sense--if you manage 250 properties in a metropolitan area, you're probably going to command the attention of certain vendors--but I haven't seen it in action yet. I suspect that there's some truth to it, but don't have enough experience to know to what extent that actually helps.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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TimM11, we have a small company and have taken over management from several large management companies. In every case the Board has said their costs were reduced and the homeowners have said services were provided in a more prompt and personal manner. For example, one President commented that we did more for them in the first two months than their previous management company (large) did in three years!!!

JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
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Tim, I think I can offer you some of my perspective. I have been in my HOA for 10 years, on the board for 8 and board president for 6. When I joined, we had 118 homes (single family). We now have 63. We had a very large management company that was a full service in just about every way. We got all kinds of detailed reports whenever we needed them. The company had a law firm that had a Q/A session each month so we could pose basic questions. When we started a division of our HOA, they wanted their lawyer to re-write our governing documents for $10,000. They also said if our split was successful, their management fee would stay the same (at the time about $1000 a month). We interviewed a small, local company. They are 3 full time staffers and they they contract out their phone services, mailings, and accounting. We get basically the same services for several hundred dollars less. It took a little bit to get used to. Our homeowners know they can email the property manager (the board has his cell number). If they call, the answering service takes a message and fowards to the PM for action. I am glad we changed since we have saved several thousands in management fees. By the way, we were sucessful with our HOA split and we spent less than $3000 all told in costs. Our new lawyer laughed when we told him the initial bid.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Before I moved to my community (we're also a townhouse community), it started as self-managed and then went through two or three small property management companies before our current company - it was medium sized and then sold to a national company (I won't say which one, but I suspect many of you can guess). I don't know a lot of the backstory of the other companies because the board members who were here at the time have long since moved on. I had heard there were a number of personality clashes.

I will say that when first joined the board, the property manager made weekly drive-throughs and was either checking in with the contractors or would see some things she'd bring to the board's attention. That is what I think I prefer the most about a small/medium sized company - more personal attention. The current property manager is good, but she has about 15 communities assigned to her and so she rarely gets a chance to come out here. She will accompany the maintenance people on community walk-throughs we have twice a year, but that's about it. As for the company itself, they do have a number of services available, but many of them are add-ons and if you took advantage of some of them (like them setting up a website), the monthly fee would increase considerably. Some of those services are things I personally think they should already be doing, such as quarterly walk-throughs for CCR violations. Instead, the board usually notices things if individual members happen to see it or someone complains.

Our last property manager once said one of the advantages of the larger company is that it usually helped negotiated better deals with contractors because he or she stood to get the business of several communities instead of one. However, if your company can do the same thing and are happy with them, I'd say stick with them and concentrate on the service, not the size.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By TimM11 on 06/25/2017 6:53 AM

As for the dues, they went up about 15% after we switched to the current company because the reserves were lower than what they needed to be, but I don't know if that had anything to do with the other company not monitoring them properly.

Sorry, it wasn't the other MC's job to monitor the reserves. Make deposits and create financial records, yes. Monitor if you have enough fund or not - NO.

That would have been the Boards responsibility.
TimM11
Posts: 354
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Well, either way, there were other issues that I think were the driving issues behind the switch, such as communication and responsiveness.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Responsiveness and communication are key, imo, and MC size shouldn't matter. What does matter is how much attention the MC gives your account and what services you want.

Our first MC here assigned an inexperienced PM who had several other accounts in her portfolio. The MC asst. mgr. was onsite 40 hours a week, but there was too much work for him in those early days (very complex 25-story twin towers w/lots of amenities), and he knew nothing about mechanical/plumbing issues.

If your'e close to 50 units w/so few amenities, I think you need a portfolio manager who's rarely onsite. If you're coder to 100 units, you might need someone onsite a couple of days a week. It really depends on what level of service you want and can afford.

Your'e lucky a MC cuahgt your underfunded reserves and urged the Board to raise the dues. that is Board respsosnbility, but a good MC advises on that topic.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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I am a property manager who has worked for large and small companies. There are pros and cons to both. Larger companies have more resources for employees - call centers that can take after hours calls so the manager doesn't have to, for example. More robust benefits, education reimbursement plans, different departments to handle violation inspections, ACC requests, amenity access, thus relieving some of the day to day tasks from the manager. At first you might think = what does the Board care if things are easier for the manager? But happy managers stay with their company, which means they stay with your property (and if you like your manager, that's a good thing).

My experience of smaller companies is that managers have more leeway to do their own thing - which is only as good an idea as the manager is good at his or her job.

But ultimately, it's not the company that matters, it's the specific manager you have. Some care more than others, some are better suited to the job than others, some are more efficient than others - and who they work for isn't going to change that.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 07/03/2017 9:39 PM
I am a property manager who has worked for large and small companies. There are pros and cons to both. Larger companies have more resources for employees - call centers that can take after hours calls so the manager doesn't have to, for example. More robust benefits, education reimbursement plans, different departments to handle violation inspections, ACC requests, amenity access, thus relieving some of the day to day tasks from the manager. At first you might think = what does the Board care if things are easier for the manager? But happy managers stay with their company, which means they stay with your property (and if you like your manager, that's a good thing).

My experience of smaller companies is that managers have more leeway to do their own thing - which is only as good an idea as the manager is good at his or her job.

But ultimately, it's not the company that matters, it's the specific manager you have. Some care more than others, some are better suited to the job than others, some are more efficient than others - and who they work for isn't going to change that.


I agree.
TimM11
Posts: 354
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That's interesting about the manager turnover -- it wouldn't have occurred to me that it could be less at a larger firm, but it makes sense when you explain it that way. While we've had the same MC for over a decade, I can't remember how many different managers we've had. It's been rare for us to have the same manager for more than a year or so.

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