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RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hello, I'm running for our HOA Board of Directors. One of my goals in running and part of my election statement is the creation of a HOA electronic message board or a community type portal. We have nothing at this point. Frankly, our communication stinks. We have over 200 units in our community. Current sitting members don't seem so hot on the idea. I know there can be issues and I know this would need to be moderated. Current members mentioned there were possible legal issues regarding this being sanctioned by the HOA. Is this true? Someone mentioned the possibility of being sued if someone said something inappropriate.

Does anyone have info on this? Is setting up something like a private Facebook page a good Idea. I just feel in this day and age USPS mail communications isn't enough. Anyone who can shed FACTUAL light on this please respond. We are a community in Hayward California is that helps.

I truly appreciate your feedback.

Rich
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Does your HOA have newsletter? Ours is monthly and keeps residents up-to-date on everything (200 unit urban high rise). Our mgmt. Co. (MC ) also mangoes our website, which also has announcements, etc. You do have an MC, right?

WE don' t have the kind of interactive site you want.

Kudos on your willingness to serve.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Does your HOA have newsletter? Ours is monthly and keeps residents up-to-date on everything (200 unit urban high rise). Our mgmt. Co. (MC ) also mangoes our website, which also has announcements, etc. You do have an MC, right?

WE don' t have the kind of interactive site you want.

Kudos on your willingness to serve.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I agree that snail mail isn't enough (we ditched our newsletter and went to a website two years ago). With everyone posting everything on the internet these days, I also understand why some may be skittish about the idea.

This website is sponsored by a company that produces HOA websites - you may want to contact them directly for ideas on how to set them up. See if you can get some proposals and show your neighbors the advantages, especially saving on printing and postage costs and faster updates as opposed to waiting for next month's newsletter. I wouldn't worry about a message board for now - once people get used to having a website you can revisit that topic.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Rich,

I maintain our Association website for the past 8 years.
Per statute, our website also has a forum which allows members to exchange ideas, etc.
To minimize spam, members must register to post anything but anyone may read.

To date, there have been 2 members on the forum. I am one of them.

You can lead a member to information but you can't make them read it.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
If you have a MC, they might be able to offer a web portal. I have one for each of the properties I manage. The cost from the software company is $10.00 per month.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I say do not make a website interactive as it often leads to a bytching session. Make it informational only like a newsletter. Do have Covenants, Bylaws, R&R's, Budgets, Meeting Minutes, etc all available online.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Anybody can create a group for your community on a social media platform, it doesn't have to be board sanctioned or controlled. Some neighborhoods use Facebook, we use nextdoor, which is designed for this type of thing. Our page was started by members who are not on the board, and the board does not officially participate, but roughly 75% of households have signed up.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GeorgeR8 (Arizona)
Posts: 182
Posted:
I started a Facebook page years ago but only use it for announcements and reminders.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Let me offer a suggestion. Get either a website (more expensive) or a web portal (less expensive) and be transparent to your members. Post your financial, post your minutes, email blast your agenda for members to actually attend the meeting. Sorry, nothing good comes from social media, as people can often hide behind a computer screen. We resolve issues best by hashing it out face to face. Even on this site, I had been called "unfriendly" and "dismissive" and much worse.

With 200 units, I have to assume you have a MC. Check with them to see if a web portal is an option with the HOA software they are using. You can put all community documents on the portal along with the ability for members to pay online. What's one of the biggest complaints; they won't give me the documents or information. Remove that objection. Members access the portal via username and password. Some portal will allow setting up access portals for members and also a separate one for board members.

From personal experience, nothing good comes from social media.
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
No, we don't have a newsletters. We use snail mail and posting 8.5 x 11 notices in this tiny communication box near our mail box house. I've attending meetings and this is a huge issue. I missed the first to meetings as a new owner because of the lack of communication. We do have a management company. We have went through 2 property managers since April 2016. I can't say I'm overly pleased. If you don't mind me asking do you pay the management extra to monitor that?
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Wow! That's great. 10.00 per month compared to sending out mail plus copying charges seems much more reliable and efficient to me. What kind of things do you allow on your portal?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichB6 on 06/23/2017 9:01 AM
If you don't mind me asking do you pay the management extra to monitor that?

I own a MC and don't charge extra for maintaining the web portal.
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
John, no we don't. We all the above listed docs but nothing is easy to find. We are a well run HOA to a degree. The community is nice we have good reserves. We just are back in the stone age with communicating and forms of innovative thinking. Its 2017 not 1702. I do agree with the interactive part and bitching. However, one of my issues is we don't listen well to owners. I don't think we pay attention to suggestions. I think we need to try and be more engaging. I know I'm probably being naive.
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Ok, let me ask a question......Why doesn't the board participate? I guess this is the part I don't understand. What happens if you do sanction it? I mean yes there will be bitching and complaining. I've sat on a advisory council for a civic org and there was. However, we at very least had open and at very least semi clear communication. I just don't see that from this board. For instance.....We have a mail house. it was not enclosed. We paid for metal doors with electronic key fobs to be installed for better security. It was supposed to go live June 1. Each resident has their fobs. However, there is no communication as to why these aren't working. It's the little things I guess.
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Well, 75% would be a win for me. I think 75% of the people now swear they don't get the snail mail. I actually never received a ballot for the elections. I just happened to be at a meeting and was asked if I was interested.
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Agreed on the social media thing. I really like how you explained that. We do have a MC. Your are correct with the biggest complaint. One thing I don't want is anonymous type users. I don't want logins to be Sexyman608 or Ilovebeer. I want there to be clear and understandable communication.

The other thing I was wanting to do is set up an owner forum in person once per year. I'd like to do what you said hash thing out face to face as constructively as possible. Our current meeting agenda allows for owners to speak 3 mins each but only 15 mins total. I understand that more could take up and entire meeting and never end but I just feel allowing owners to talk is a way to get them more engaged.
RichB6 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Just wanted to Thank EVERYONE for sharing and commenting. I really do appreciate all the feedback and advice. Please keep it coming. My goal is to really learn from all this.
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
My HOA has a community website AND an independent, owner-administered website. The cost of the HOA website is, in my opinion, ridiculous and easily exceeds the monthly printing costs of paper newsletters. I believe this is because the Board has hired outsiders to scan documents and perhaps forward to MC who seems to be doing some posting. Also, the Board members post their Minutes and an occasional message that noone reads.

Why is the website not used? Because it is a MESS. It is not user navigable, it is disorganized and no one take accountability for it. The MC and Board do nothing to promote and encourage owners to use it although all owners are "preassigned a password" and only need to activate it. Of nearly 800 units, maybe a hundred have gotten a password.

The database possible from the website could be a launching point for electronic voting and I have suggested this as a promotional strategy. In that way, the HOA could not only save paper and postage costs of communicating but the cost of elections. The costs of online voting systems is far less than the cost of even half a mailing to 800 members, most of whom live in Canada.

The original operational concept of the website was to have 20+ clubs write and post their own updates of activities and announcements. This has, of course, not happened. Most club actors don't know how, don't want to learn and don't want to do it. In my experience, neither does the MC or the Board. Most people use the website as an online photo album to look at pictures of a hot dog social.

By contrast, an owner in the community takes sole responsibility for a large forum that costs $0 and promptly posts ALL records in one place so that users can easily identify where to go to find date sequenced, propery-named documents in one place. The forum typically gets over 100 views daily and has been as high as 500+ views. The website is totally OPEN for anyone's comments (including outsiders), though the Administrator has option to review before comments are published. This is easy, all comments are immediately sent in a message to smartphone, comments are read and Admin pushes the button to Publish. In that way, any comments that might be slanderous or not in compliance with website owner's TOS are redacted or kicked back.

Unlike a proprietary software program "owned and controlled" by the MC, the independent Owner website is transferrable at will to another host and the records history will not be preserved. This eliminates the possibility of losing historical digital records held hostage by a fired or otherwise released MC.

A blend of these two concepts might work; ie form a standing technical committee independent but oversighted by the Board to post ALL material and owner comments.

There is really no need to password-protect, for all practical reasons of "privacy". The owner-independent website COULD easily be password protected for certain document boards. Neither the owner nor the HOA has had significant problems with slander due to the screening and review of comments. There has not been any dire consequences of posting internal business records and I personally believe that this "danger" is overhyped. However, if one was concerned, business document boards could easily be password protected. Given peoples' reluctance to register, the Owner of the independent website has chosen to keep the website open to Guests AND Registered members and simply monitor.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
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Posted By RichB6 on 06/23/2017 9:33 AM

Ok, let me ask a question......Why doesn't the board participate?

I'd like to try an answer that question.

Typically, when a board member participates in such forums, anything they write can be considered an official message from the Board. Even personal opinions of Board members are often perceived as the official word from the Board. Hence, participation can cause many many problems.

The best response from any Board member is:

Decisions on any actions are made by Board votes.
I will make sure what you brought up is on the agenda at the next meeting.
Although I will present your position as I understand it, you might consider attending our next meeting so there are no miscommunications or misunderstandings.

Another perception with Board participation on such forums is that big brother is watching.

GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
RichB6-I think TimB4 got it right on Board participation. I happen to know that the Board follows the independently-owned website quite closely and it is relatively easy to see that from actions that follow conversations closely in time and IP addresses.

That is why the Owner chose to leave the Website as open and "anonymous" so that everyone could comment and participate without fear of Big Brother retaliating against dissenting opinions.

IMO, this works best for all. The board can "listen in" if it wants to and act (or not). They have plausible denial, as well. The owners can comment and be heard, knowing that the Board is also monitoring but cannot identify the Commenter. Thus, the Board is relieved of its perceived "liability position" in taking a position outside of a safe business meeting and Owners participate in the only safe way available.

Sad..but true.

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