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PenyW (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 43
Posted:
I'd appreciate some advice on how to deal with a homeowner who pays fines but continues to violate our covenants. Our Declaration clearly states that above-ground pools are not allowed. We have one homeowner in the development who has apparently been putting up an above-ground pool every summer for a number of years. This is my first summer on the board, so I had no knowledge of this previously. Our documents allow for a fine of $25 per month for violations. But what actions can the board take if the homeowner pays the fine each time it's assessed, then continues to violate the Declaration? I've been told by other homeowners that the person in violation has stated that, "It's worth paying the fine so I can keep my pool." We don't have any provisions in our documents to address this type of situation. Any suggestions would be really appreciated.
Thank you.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
PenyW: It is apparent that it is worth the $100 (?) to this homeowner for about 4 months of swimming--actually thats not bad.

You state that your 'documents' allow a fine of $25. What document states this? Is it in the CC&Rs or Bylaws, the officially recorded documents, or is it a 'rule' created by the Board?

Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Peny, do your doc's speak to escalation of fines, based on frequency...? (first offense $25 per month, second offense $50, etc...).

Also as the previous poster noted, is the possibility to increase the base amount of the fine? While I do not particularly like that idea (makes the burden on other owner's greater for an infraction habitually disregarded by one), it is a possible method toward enforcement.

Since this is a "above ground" pool does your local jurisdiction have any authority (health department, permit/zoning departments, etc).

... shaking my head at an owner who would rather pay a continuing fine, instead of addressing the issue head-on. Wonder if you can get him to pay other folk's fines, since he has money to toss away...
JohnC10 (Arizona)
Posts: 106
Posted:
This summer give him a discount as a repeat customer.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Peny:

I like the idea of looking at escalating fines first. I am sure at some point you could take him to court to get an injunction, but that would be costly too. There has to be a way to escalate fines to make it sting. I agree, $100 isn't bad to be able to swim all summer, however, if it gets 2 to 3 times or more than that he may think twice.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Peny, attached is a copy of Rules and regulations. Your Board can consider adopting something similar. I would recommend starting the initial fine at or above $50 based on the time, effort, and cost involved.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
See attachment on R&R for Enforcement of Covenants and Rules
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MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
You're located in which State??
PenyW (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 43
Posted:
We're in Pennsylvania. Our Declaration allows for fines up to $5.00 a day for violations. Current Rules and Regs have fines set at $25.00. Thanks for the link, Roger. I'll look it over and see if it gives us any relief.

Peny
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Take a look at the questions posed by PaulM.
From the tone of your piece, you seem rather intent on the transgression - perhaps inquiry into why that particular rule exists, may lead to it being removed, and then the problem is solved. Could it have been a ploy for some developer related entity to obtain business. Seems like a pool that's dismantled at the end of summer, is a lot safer that a permanent hole in the ground year round.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
PenyW: Your latest response raises other questions...

Your community's Declaration, the official document, states 'up to $5 per day' on violations--your Rule sets 'fines at $25.00' (per day/per month/ or per season, what ???),

- how was the rule created and by whom
- why does the rule not follow the dictates of the declaration

I know these questions do not address the current violator-member situation, but it may be important in the overall solution....
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
I've often wondered too what the objection to above ground pools is/are. (Ours does not.) Can anyone give their HOA's reasons for not allowing about ground pools? Dane's suggestion that the developer was protecting an in-ground pool installer's business makes a lot of sense. (The developer is after all the one who put this restriction in the CC&Rs.) Above ground pools in PA makes more sense than an in ground to worry about over the other eight months. I am serious about wanting to know possible objections. Harold
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS1 on 07/21/2007 11:18 AM
Can anyone give their HOA's reasons for not allowing about ground pools?

Peny gave the most important reason - their CC&Rs currently prohibit them
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS1 on 07/21/2007 11:18 AM
I've often wondered too what the objection to above ground pools is/are. (Ours does not.) Can anyone give their HOA's reasons for not allowing about ground pools? D

My understanding is that communities don't like their appearance. Maybe there's more to it, like possibility of flooding the neighbor's yard if the pool breaks?

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JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Peny:

$25 a month is little to no deterrent for most people. If your documents allow up to $5 a day, it may be worthwhile to restructure your fine schedule. There's a large difference between $25 a month and $150 a month. If you want to look at a nice fine schedule procedure from Oregon, check out www.fhhoa.com > Documents tab > Governing Docs > Policy Resolution #3.

Also, do your docs or state law allow the HOA to go to court to get an injunction against the owner? This may be more effective (especially if the owner would have to pay court costs). Look in your declaration under "enforcement."

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA

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