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EricM11 (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Purchased(2016) a townhome(build in 1980) with 2 tree issues that I am looking for advice on handling. BTW, these trees appear to be mature and old. So might have been there since original developer had build the townhomes. 1st tree is on neighbors property in backyard in a townhome community with HOA. This tree's root/trunk has encrouched onto our property causing damage to concrete block wall which will be the responsibility of that home owner to resolve. HOA does not take any responsibility for trees on property other than common areas. SO it would fall on homeowner to go thru county and such to get tree removed(permits). 2nd tree is in front yard apparently straddling the 2 property lines. This tree is also not in the common area and this tree is having issues since most of the limbs are dead (no leaves) and branches are falling on cars in which the neighbors car was damaged. I guess the first step would be to get the neighbor to handle the tree in backyard in which they may not since it would be a money issue there so not sure how to handle that since it was discussed once with them and they have not approached us so a letter would have to be sent to them to make it official and then take the next steps to get them to remove it. The second tree we could split the cost if we have a tree expert state it is a nuisance and if it is dead that would support the removal and get a permit to remove it. Here is the important aspect that I read on another webpage. For arguments sake and this discussion lets assume the tree is dead in the front yard.
Overplanting. The association must make tree removal decisions based on previous actions taken by others. Examples:
In the original development, in order to create curb appeal, too many trees were planted, or trees were planted in the wrong places and must be removed.
I will have to research if I can find out if the original developer built around the trees or were planted there back in or before 1980.
So with that stated an argument can be made that the original developer built around the trees or maybe new ones planted and fast forward 36 years the trees are causing damage one growing to large in backyard damaging a dividing wall and other with dead branches falling on cars maybe people. I can would think that the HOA should take some responsibility in assisting financially with the tree removal.? What are your thoughts? Questions? possibly in both cases? Although this argument is probably more for getting HOA to approve removal of trees. What do you think the chances of getting the HOA to assume some responsibility given the above argument?
not too worried about the backyard tree but more with front yard since the danger is more real with falling limbs and the tree will be claimed by me since half is on our property. But did not realize the front tree issue until neighbor informed us about a month after purchase. The seller unfortunately did not let us know about the HOA not responsible for the trees. HOA when we called let us know right away.

Thanks
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
First Question, Did you have a home inspection performed, prior to purchase?

If the 2nd tree is straddling the property line, call your title company, they will pull the survey to see who exactly is responsible for the tree

Finally, have you talked to the the homeowner about the first tree? if they blow you off, your HOA can depending on your state laws run "mediation"
if that fails you will likely have to hire a lawyer, but if this tree is causing damage to the block wall that separates your property the HOA should do something because the block wall is likely listed in the CC&R's
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
If the trees are clearly not in the common areas, then the HOA, per its Declaration, has no responsibility for addressing any nuisance problems the trees may become. Generally today, it is up to the owner of the property where the tree trunk sits to address any encroachment and nuisance problems.

As for getting the HOA's permission to remove the trees: Be clear about the threat the trees pose to property and life.

Tree roots or tree branches on older trees are a common nuisance. I have seen it at two HOAs now. Take 'em out. Replant with more appropriate trees.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I’m not surprised that the seller “unfortunately did not let us know about the HOA’s not being responsible for the trees.” People on this board often complain about HOAs not telling new owners anything about the HOA’s function, assessments and such (and in many cases they’re right), but forget that the HOMEOWNER is the one selling the house, not the HOA, so he or she should be held responsible for not disclosing factoids like this.

In this case, the seller had to know this tree was causing problems, especially if it’s been around at least since 1980, but I don’t know if Eric can hold him or her responsible now (probably not, but that would be a question for an attorney). This is why people really should get a home inspection as LetA noted – it can save a lot of time and trouble. Of course, it’s too late if the developer was still around, I might ask them for help, but they’re also long gone, so….

It seems odd that your documents say the association is only responsible for trees in the common area. I also live in a townhouse community and since the association is responsible for the grass and sidewalks, among other things, they also maintain the trees. In fact, we’ve had the same problems as you with sewer line disruption and foundation problems with our trees and have cut down a number of them in recent years.

You may want to have an attorney double-check your documents, as it’s possible the board is misinterpreting something. If they still say no, you may end up having to take this to arbitration, if available in your area – or a court and let a judge decide.

In the meantime, I like LetA’s suggestion about calling the title company to verify who would be responsible for the trees. If you confirm that neither one is the association’s responsibility, you’ll need to talk to the neighbor about them and split the cost of removal for tree #2 since it sits on the properly line between the two homes. As for tree#1, if it’s in the neighbor’s yard, I think he or she should remove it – it’s bad enough it’s messing up your property, but its roots (which are twice as long as the tree is tall) can also create problems for him/her, if it hasn’t already.

That’s probably why they haven’t approached you – they can be on the hook for getting rid of tree#1 AND at least half of the costs of tree#2, so they may be praying nothing else happens. By the way, you said this had been discussed with the neighbor once before – how long ago was that and what was the outcome?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Shelia, my association is in a pickle because part of our assessments covers front yard maintenance. The HOA's landscapers come around, pull weeds, trim the shrubs and "prune" if you call it pruning the trees of all the homeowners. There are a mixture of different trees from Mesquite, Palo Verde. Jacaranda and Crepe Myrtles. Since the Palo Verdes have invasive root systems, the HOA removed the Palos from all common areas because the roots was causing damage to the one walking path. Our BOD wanted to define "maintenance" because the BOD did not want the responsibility if a tree caused damage on a homeowners property.
It is a catch 22 because our individual spread sheet showed our individual contribution towards our landscaping maintenance and "plant replacement"

So our BOD decided to go to each homeowner and inform them that the BOD will cut down all Palos and Mesquites, replant another less invasive tree, if the homeowner declines, they will have to sign a liability waiver if their said tree was to cause any damage.

My neighbor across the street had a Palo, he lost part of it last year to a lightening strike and another part to high winds last month, the HOA cut it down, but the roots was growing under the driveway slab raising it up. The HOA because of its "maintenance" is going to grind down the driveway slab to make it even.

I am comfortable with the change, but yet i am not comfortable, the HOA hires the landscapers and tree trimmers. I personally pitched a fit because the tree"trimmers" they hired were butchers with chain saws and had no arbor training at all. Now the HOA brought in someone from the arbor society for advice.

Phew!!! being a homeowner, you need to become an amateur expert on allot of issues to make informed decisions.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I tell people I used to have a wee bit of money until I brought a car AND a house! I don't have kids, so these things have become my "dependents," as it were. And to think people said "well, if you buy a house, you can deduct the mortgage interest and property taxes" - I deduct and I STILL owe! This year was the lowest I've paid in years. Oh well, one needs transportation in this town and I happen to like living in my own space.

I don't know a lot about trees, but the ones in our area have caused the same problems you described. The Board did hire an arborist (I'd suggested that a few years earlier when I was on the Board) and he went around the entire neighborhood, stating which ones were dead, dying, in decent shape, in shape but too close to the buildings, etc. As someone pointed out earlier, the developers pushed the trees in their sales pitch, saying they could help shade the house and cut down on utility bills as well as beautify the neighborhood. They weren't wrong, but I wish they'd paid more attention to where the trees were placed.

One homeowner came to a board meeting two years ago hopping mad about "his" tree being cut - he's one of the few remaining original homeowners and saw the thing grow from a sapling. Several of us noted that the tree might be pretty to look at, but it was causing property damage (the guy had foundation trouble because of it) and unless he was willing to pay the ENTIRE cost of foundation repairs if the tree stayed, he'd have to get over himself. He quieted down.

As for your community, you already know the board hires the contractors for the community on the association's behalf, so who they pick is up to them, although I agree with you that they should be hiring qualified people. I guess they think people should quit whining because they're not paying for the work (at least not directly), but if you don't take the time to find people who will do it right the first time at a competitive price, where will you find the time and money to do it over when things go wrong. I hope you and your neighbors go to the meeting and demand they do their due diligence - if they don't, get rid of them at the next board election and put in people who will act more responsibly.

I do like the idea of your board requiring a waiver if the homeowner declines the replacement though. Maybe more boards should take the time to explain the real cost of maintenance and replacement to homeowners who think their fees are "too high" to pay for whatever and offer a waiver if they didn't want to pay. Then they'd see the real cost of homeownership and might not be so inclined to treat the place like crap or let their pets deposit such, thinking someone else will clean up after them!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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