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RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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I just read this article on the "Home" page and have some comments about it.

1) A manager is quoted on his cost of $2500 to obtain a license. Licensing does cost money which is often passed on by increasing the monthly charge to the HOAs.

2) One stated purpose is to improve the quality of HOA managers. I believe it often does increase the knowledge of a CAM(Community Association Manager). But it does not prevent theft and can not prevent poor management practices.

3) Stan Hrincevich, who provide a CO HOA forum, made many comments at the meeting; including wanting detailed info on transfer fees and upholding of state laws. The transfer fees are required by law to be provided to each HOA managed. The state tests I took had most of the questions (about 80%) on the Colordao Nonprofit Act and CCIOA (Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act) plus other state and federal regulations. This makes me wonder if Stan is knowledgeable about these items.

4) Some questioned the CAI (Community Association Institute) role in licensing. The CAI had pushed for years for licensing.

5) In a link to this article the author stated a manager salary range of $20K - $65K.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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While I agree CAI has some benefits, I have many issues with the organization, especially in the legislative arena.

For what a company or individuals gets out of the education, the costs are quite prohibitive. To go all the way to a PCAM, you have an investment of $9000.00 with annual fees of almost $400.00. Each course has a price tag of $500.00. IMO, pretty steep.

I feel it is the responsibility of the management companies to insure that there employees and managers are properly training in the roles they play with the associations they represent. The other issue is for private managers working as General Managers for larger or more complex associations.

Then you have the issue of volunteers serving as Board members of self-managed associations. Shouldn't they also have some form of training? There might be more of a risk with a self-managed association, because who really is watching the Board?

I am working on a proposal setting up a department that oversees homeowner associations. There are too many associations and people residing in these communities that have really no voice.

I question bringing up transfer fees. These fees are between the seller/buyer and the management company, not the HOA. I have done hundreds of escrow requests and have had maybe two complaints on these fees.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By RichardP13 on 06/01/2017 11:40 AM

Then you have the issue of volunteers serving as Board members of self-managed associations. Shouldn't they also have some form of training? There might be more of a risk with a self-managed association, because who really is watching the Board?

Who is really watching the Board ... that is supposed to be the members!!! NOT a management company who is essentially an "employee" of the BOD. While you have a few problems with some HOA's whether Self Managed or via Property Management Company (because I have seen issues with both) I feel the majority of us who have members who participate and care are doing OK.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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I am just speaking from experience.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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We have a self-managed HOA and homeowner apathy is widespread. Essentially, nobody is watching the board. Most are just happy that people are willing to "step up" and be on the board in the first place. Nobody requests the detailed financial reports to review. Nobody worries about the HOA master insurance policy until the premiums skyrocket 40% for no good reason. Nobody cares that relatively minor repairs of the wooden benches outside of our small mail house has been going on for over 3 months. Nobody cares that we have $650,000 in reserve accounts but only a $150,000 fidelity bond.

I really think having a management company wouldn't make a whole lot of difference in any of these areas as long as the homeowners just don't give a fig.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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I have been pondering CAI, its history, the history of common interest communities, and the many problems with HOA volunteer boards. I believe the history of HOAs is a chapter in the history of American capitalism at work in real estate. I wonder whether HOAs are so different from City Councils. It is the formation of statutes that allow cities and so city councils to form. Likewise deeds and recordings of governing documents with counties are a large part of why HOAs come into existence.

I wonder if a lot of the problems with HOA boards would be solved by making the director and intense labor officer positions paid. Apathy might go down a lot for a number of reasons. Candidates for boards would run the same way candidates for City Councils run, but on a smaller scale. A humble salary for HOA directors might bring some retirees and so talent out of the woodwork, willing to work like a dog as long as they received some nominal compensation.

Directors of publicly held corporations receive enormous salaries. In lawsuits, members of HOAs are sometimes referred to as shareholders.

For large HOAs, I figure a nominal salary for each director would amount to around 5% of the annual budget. Might the cost-benefit justify such wages?

Some HOA governing documents do allow directors to be paid. Other HOA's governing documents would require an amendment.

AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By RogerB on 06/01/2017 9:51 AM

5) In a link to this article the author stated a manager salary range of $20K - $65K.

That article is http://www.denverpost.com/2012/02/12/horror-stories-prompt-industry-group-to-ask-colorado-to-regulate-hoa-managers/ . It says:

Association managers perform the day-to-day and longer-term tasks required to run a community on behalf of the volunteer boards. That includes collecting monthly dues, budgeting for expenses, building reserves, enforcing covenants and scheduling repairs.

Increasingly, they work for larger management companies and handle multiple communities, which has boosted calls for making the industry more professional. Pay starts in the mid-$20,000 range, and more experienced managers can pull down $65,000.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Pay depends on where the HOA is, and correlates most with the size of the HOA budget. In LA & the Coachella Valley (Palm Springs), we see $50,000 to past $200,000/ann., which includes bonuses and housing (if any).

See Davis-stirling.com, Management Survey.

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