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JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
Live in a hoa of single family homes. The board has proposed a no parking on the streets between 2:am and 5:am. This is being challenged as too restrictive according to our CCR&S. The board says they will issue a guest parking permit only forguests as long as homeowners send in all of their vehicles make, models, license plates numbers and address so they can give to the towing and patrol companies they plan on hiring. (Problem there too) we have zero parking areas or stalls and no assigned parking.
I am a homeowner and a board member and do not agree as there is no reason or issue. I stated my disagreement and was told if a homeowner does not turn in information they don't get a parking permit.
I am in the process of challenging the street parking but this is what has been suggested to go along with no parking. Is this legal or do we go be up our right to privacy living here?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Jill: "The board has proposed a no parking on the streets between 2:am and 5:am. This is being challenged as too restrictive according to our CCR&S."
KL: What do the CC&Rs say that seems to limit the board's authority about street parking?

Jill: "...we have zero parking areas or stalls and no assigned parking."
KL: are there garages to park cars on ? And/or driveways?

Isn't the rest of the Board giving some kind of reason for proposing this, Jill? Street sweeping perhaps? I assume this would be a rule change. As such, in CA, the board must vote to send it out for a 30-day owner comment period, as you probably know. At a subsequent meeting, the board votes to add this rule---or not. Maybe enough owners' comments will be negative and the Board won't vote to approve it.

We have underground garage resident parking and Visitor Parking. The resident must turn into the managers's office all car info of their guests who use our garage. The resident's address is included, but not the guests' It's almost the same as your board wants to collect. No one here (200+ units) complains about privacy intrusion.
JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
There is zero mention regarding parking in deed restrictions and CCRS. No street sweeping. Yes we have driveways and garages. Honestly the only reason when I asked was that some of the board does not want cars parked in front of their houses. The board is drafting these rules and sending to attorney then the owners. I requested I send my opinion to attorney too so I'm trying to clarify every angle they are adding. So along with CCRS having no mention of street or garage or parking on streets at all, I am addressing the parking permits, patrols and towing they want to add also. ( our CCRS do mention towing for stored vehicles)
Ca. Law is very clear as to changing CCRS and rules. Just doing my homework.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are your streets private? If your HOA does own your streets, what DO your CC&Rs say about these streets?

When the board voted to get the HOA attorney's advice, did you vote no? I don't think the HHOA attorney will reply to your question as s/he works for your HOA via the board and not for any individual Owner...director or not.
JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
Private gated street owned by Association. I brought up all laws and showed the board along with CCRS.there is ZERO mention of streets or parking, or any language that allows the board to add that language. My lettter will be forwarded to attorney along with the proposed changes. Yes, I voted no on parking on streets between 2 and 5 am. We have people with several cars and families ( all homes have 5 or 6 rooms and guest house) parking has become an issue. Can't park in the apron or street, where can they park. Interferes with right to enjoyment. Association board, when I asked, said they can park outside the gate .
Have a family that has a around the clock nurse for a child that stays at house so she parks on street Board says too bad. I say absolutely not so I'm fighting for them too
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I'm a huge privacy advocate. Having said that, I think an association has the right to know what vehicles are coming into and out of the community. There should also be a conspicuous privacy policy regarding that information. Rules and regulations can't contradict what's in the CCRs but unless the CCRs explicitly say people have a "right to park" on the streets, I think reasonable rules & regulations could be made to restrict it. As long as they're not in conflict with the CCRs.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm not confident about this, Jill, but I think Geno's right. I talso might be the case that your CC&s say the Board has the right to make rules about common areas even if it doesn't specially sate streets.

I also don't think your " right to enjoyment" argument will fly...
JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
The association has the right possibly, but what about towing companies and patrols that the association want to forward that information too? I respectfully disagree. As of now we have never had patrols or towing and there still is no need.
JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
I did look again at CCRS and rules and this is what is written
These Rules and regulations supplement and/or clarify, but in no case replace or alter the established Declaration of the Covenants, Conditions and restrictions for this Association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
But it sounds like there ARE no existing restrictions or covenants on street parking. And I think it's fine to provide a list of license plate numbers to a licensed towing operation. You can't even park your car these days in a commercial parking garage or lot without cameras surveilling your vehicle. No one has any idea what that surveillance is used for or who manages it. In an HOA you'd at least know the purpose for collecting that information and have some control over who has access to it. A vehicle pulls out of your community and has zero expectation of privacy. A crook could sit there and take pictures of everyone going in and out. A list of plate numbers is not a big deal. Now if the HOA proposed running those plate numbers through the DMV, or selling the list of numbers, or posting them publicly online, then I'd have a big problem with it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The license plate, make/model/color of cars, and residents' contact info of visitors that park in our garage is collected by the security officers at our gated entrance. It would be given to the tow company if needed, which is rare, maybe twice a year.

There are more than a dozen high rise condos like ours in my neighborhood who have the same practice IF they have Visitor Parking on their premises.

I'm not grasping why this is a privacy issue for you, Jill? Still, in your HOA, who would collect this required info? who would distribute the permit? Would there be different permits for visitors vs. residents?
JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
They would not allow permits for residents. They are going to require they park off the street or outside the development. We have no parking garages, stalls, etc. just a regular tract of single family homes. We have no common area buildings, pools, etc. just a privacy gate . No guarded gate.
The intent of the single parking permit is only in response to my agruement that if my son has friends over and they drink and need to stay the night they would be issued a fine and/or towed. So in response they agreed to issue a single permit but if resident caught using they have proposed a $250.00 fine. These are all proposed so not set in stone just yet
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Where it comes to issuing parking passes, there are smartphone apps for that.

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