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RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
I started this new topic for help filling a shortage of directors and officers as to keep my topics, on-topic. It came up in my thread about proxies which I apologize for.
http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/227322/view/topic/Default.aspx

Summary:
Director #1 – The only director on the board at this time, has not paid his annual assessments for five years and has a lien on his property for nonpayment.
Director #2 – passed away earlier this year
Director #3 – use to be me before I quit because I was performing all of the work with zero cooperation from other board members and zero cooperation from any the members to establish a quorum at the annual meetings. After submitting my written resignation I sent a letter explaining receivership and why it is a very bad idea and threatened to file an intent for receivership unless other members stepped up to fill the board. NOW we have members who are interested! Problem is, I'm no longer a board member or president. Looking back, I admit it was not the smartest thing to do, or my finest hour, but I was frustrated and burnt out. Now, after having other members willing to serve on the board, become officers and share the responsibilities, I'm willing to give it another shot because 1. I now have a better understanding of what needs to be done and a willingness to learn. – And – 2. Nobody else will spend as much time and effort as I have so far and I'm afraid we will be in a much worse situation bringing someone in "cold" and not wanting to shove the responsibilities off on to somebody else and overwhelm them.

After combing through the bylaws of our association more carefully and with a highlighter I found the following:

DIRECTORS
Number and qualifications. – The number of directors shall automatically be increased to 3 when the Class B membership is changed to Class A. The Board of Directors shall not consist of more than 5 persons

Vacancies. – Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors by death, resignation, or otherwise shall be filled promptly by majority vote of the remaining directors at a special meeting which shall be called for the purpose within 30 days after the occurrences of the vacancy. The director thus chosen shall hold office for the unexpired term of his predecessor in the election and qualification of his successor.

OFFICERS.
Vacancies. – All vacancies in any office shall be filled promptly by the Board of Directors either at regular meetings or at a meeting specialty called for that purpose.

And in the Articles of Incorporation it states under Board of Directors, "all vacancies occurring on the board of directors, if any, will be filled by a majority vote of the remaining director, even if less than a quorum. Any director may succeed himself or herself in office.
Our Annual Meeting is to be held in the month of February of each year.

SO, does this mean the remaining director have an obligation to fill the positions of the other two directors? If so, I cannot find how this is to be done.

And then the new board fills the vacancies of officers instead of waiting until February for the annual meeting? We have issues in our community which need addressing now, instead of waiting until February of next year.

Thank you for your time, patience, and helpfulness!
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
EDIT: if the vacancy of directors are to be filled by the remaining director at a special meeting, how is the meeting called? The remaining director is not an officer.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Robert:

You asked:

SO, does this mean the remaining director have an obligation to fill the positions of the other two directors? If so, I cannot find how this is to be done.

The answer is as you gave:

Vacancies. – Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors by death, resignation, or otherwise shall be filled promptly by majority vote of the remaining directors at a special meeting which shall be called for the purpose within 30 days after the occurrences of the vacancy. The director thus chosen shall hold office for the unexpired term of his predecessor in the election and qualification of his successor.

In your case the remaining Director should appoint one more for a BOD of 2 then those two have to agree on a 3rd. I say the President could not appoint two.

And then the new board fills the vacancies of officers instead of waiting until February for the annual meeting? We have issues in our community which need addressing now, instead of waiting until February of next year.

The BOD would then hold an election among itself as to which of the 3 fills what Officer positions. It would require 2 to 1 or unanimous to be elected to say President.

Typically a BOD can call for an election of Officers anytime they want. Say you have a BOD of 3 and the existing President says no election, the other two can call for an election.

In your case with a BOD of 3, typically the Officers will be one could assume President, Treasurer/VP (same person), and Secretary. If a BOD of 4, then typically one in each slot.

Many confuse BOD Members and Officers. Not all BOD Members are Officers. All Officers are members of the BOD.

Joe Smith, BOD Member and President
Ed Jones, BOD Member and Vice President
Sue White, BOD Member and Treasurer
John Green, BOD Member and Secretary
Lisa Wells, BOD Member but not an Officer.

Officer or not they each have a vote on matters. One person's vote does not count anymore then another person's vote.

Had you stayed on the BOD you would have been a BOD of 2 and you two could/would agree on who to appoint to the 3rd position.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertS17 on 05/10/2017 5:31 PM

SO, does this mean the remaining director have an obligation to fill the positions of the other two directors?

Yes.
However, if there are no volunteers then, realistically, there is nobody to appoint.

Quote:
Posted By RobertS17 on 05/10/2017 5:31 PM

If so, I cannot find how this is to be done.

One solicits for volunteers (newsletter, knock on door, etc.).
At the next board meeting, the Director appoints a & b to fill the vacancies.

Minutes would be somthing like:

Meeting opened at hh:mm
Quorum not met due to vacancies on Board.
Name, Director, appoints abc to fill the vacancies.
abc agrees to the appointment.
Quorum now exists
. . .

Quote:
Posted By RobertS17 on 05/10/2017 5:31 PM

And then the new board fills the vacancies of officers instead of waiting until February for the annual meeting?

Yes

When we did it, we formalized it better then a simple entry in the minutes, see attached.
However, a simple entry in the minutes is all that would be required.

Hope this helps.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertS17 on 05/10/2017 6:20 PM
EDIT: if the vacancy of directors are to be filled by the remaining director at a special meeting, how is the meeting called? The remaining director is not an officer.

I believe you are over thinking this.

The Director calls the meeting and sends any notice requirements.
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 05/10/2017 6:21 PM

Many confuse BOD Members and Officers. Not all BOD Members are Officers. All Officers are members of the BOD.

I did not realize that. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 05/10/2017 6:25 PM

I believe you are over thinking this.

The Director calls the meeting and sends any notice requirements.

As I often do! Sometimes the answer is in front of my face and I just don't realize it, too.

Asking homeowners to take on an association is a lot to ask, but we did purchase property that is part of an association, so it is what it is.

Okay. What about this? In the declaration it says, under voting rights:
Nonpayment of Charges and Assessments Any Member who is delinquent in the payment of any charges duly levied by the Association against the lot shall not be entitled to a vote until all such charges together with such reasonable penalties as the board of directors of the Association may impose have been paid.

Given the fact that the remaining director has not paid his annual assessments in over 5 years and has a lien on his property make him ineligible to appoint another board member, and have those two vote in a third?

Lastly, what if the remaining director decides to quit as well without taking any action? He is pissed having to pay assessments because his property is accessed by way of a dirt road that he partially owns along with a couple other homeowners, and not on a paved road which is maintained by the assessments. Again, it is what it is. He is still a member and he doesn't realize it's a legal contract he agreed to when purchasing his property. When the BOD consists of 3 members, foreclosing on the lien will be on the following agenda after adopting Rules and Regulations for the enforcing nonpayment. The developer handed the Association over to the homeowners before setting up any rules and procedures or even a budget. This has been such a headache and meanwhile trying to help, I've gotten myself involved, (before resigning). And making sense of the Florida statutes, the declaration, bylaws, articles of incorporation, and how they all interrelate and complement each other gets confusing at times. Anyway, I don't want to go off on another tangent.

Maybe I am overthinking it, but he is mad at the Association and thinks if it fails somehow it can be dissolved. Meanwhile, by past inactions of the board, he has been able to get away with not paying assessments beyond those 5 years!

Learning from your examples and having it explained by you guys is a tremendous help.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
I am assuming you are in an HOA, governed by FL Statute 720. See this
720.306 (9) (b)
(b) A person who is delinquent in the payment of any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation to the association on the day that he or she could last nominate himself or herself or be nominated for the board may not seek election to the board, and his or her name shall not be listed on the ballot. A person serving as a board member who becomes more than 90 days delinquent in the payment of any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation to the association shall be deemed to have abandoned his or her seat on the board, creating a vacancy on the board to be filled according to law. For purposes of this paragraph, the term “any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation” means any delinquency to the association with respect to any parcel.

If you are in a condominium, under 718, I believe that they have the same requirement.
RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarolF on 05/11/2017 12:21 PM
I am assuming you are in an HOA, governed by FL Statute 720. See this
720.306 (9) (b)
(b) A person who is delinquent in the payment of any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation to the association on the day that he or she could last nominate himself or herself or be nominated for the board may not seek election to the board, and his or her name shall not be listed on the ballot. A person serving as a board member who becomes more than 90 days delinquent in the payment of any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation to the association shall be deemed to have abandoned his or her seat on the board, creating a vacancy on the board to be filled according to law. For purposes of this paragraph, the term “any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation” means any delinquency to the association with respect to any parcel.

If you are in a condominium, under 718, I believe that they have the same requirement.

Carol,

You are correct. So we have an HOA without a Board of Directors. What happens in this case? I've been talking to neighbors and can find 3 willing to serve as of now.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertS17 on 05/11/2017 9:28 AM

Given the fact that the remaining director has not paid his annual assessments in over 5 years and has a lien on his property make him ineligible to appoint another board member, and have those two vote in a third?

Technically - perhaps
However, based on the statute, he technically shouldn't have been allowed on the ballot.

Realistically, I doubt anyone will complain or take the issue to court.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Robert, sorry to hear about the difficulties you're facing. Carol is right when she points out that the statute says, "A person serving as a board member who becomes more than 90 days delinquent in the payment of any fee, fine, or other monetary obligation to the association shall be deemed to have abandoned his or her seat on the board, creating a vacancy on the board to be filled according to law."

So your remaining director is technically NOT a director, meaning you've got an illegitimate board of 1. You say you have recruited up 3 owners willing to serve on the board? That's good because an association operating as a corporation not-for-profit in Florida is also subject to FS 617 to the extent that FS 720 doesn't apply and FS 617.0803 provides that you MUST have at least 3 directors.

FS 720.3053 provides that any member may apply to the circuit court for the appointment of a receiver to manage the affairs of the association until it can get its act together and elect a board of at least 3 directors. THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE ROAD TO GO DOWN. Before going to court, the member must supply a notice to all homeowners at least 30 days before applying to the court for receivership. If that doesn't wake up your apathetic owners then nothing will.

The remaining "director" should immediately appoint 2 more directors. Note that even though he is an illegitimate director who has, by statute, abandoned his seat on the board, the same section of FS 720 (i.e. FS 720.306(9)(b) says, "The validity of any action by the board is not affected if it is later determined that a person was ineligible to seek election to the board or that a member of the board is ineligible for board membership."

So the remaining director's action to appoint 2 additional directors will not be invalidated due to the fact that he has abandoned his own seat by being 90 days in arrears of his monetary obligations.

The 2 newly appointed directors should act immediately to declare that the remaining "director" has abandoned his seat and, in accordance with FS 720.306, is no longer a member of the board of directors.

Then those 2 directors should select a third director to sit on the board. Procede from there. That's the easy way.

The hard way involves getting a majority of voting interests in the HOA to recall the existing director and elect a replacement. That replacement would then select 2 more board members, etc.

Questions: Is your association incorporated?
How many homes/parcels and how many members? You'll need a majority to be in agreement that the remaining "director" needs to be recalled.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertS17 on 05/10/2017 5:31 PM
I started this new topic for help filling a shortage of directors and officers as to keep my topics, on-topic. It came up in my thread about proxies which I apologize for.
http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/227322/view/topic/Default.aspx

Summary:
Director #1 – The only director on the board at this time, has not paid his annual assessments for five years and has a lien on his property for nonpayment.
Director #2 – passed away earlier this year
Director #3 – use to be me before I quit because I was performing all of the work with zero cooperation from other board members and zero cooperation from any the members to establish a quorum at the annual meetings. After submitting my written resignation I sent a letter explaining receivership and why it is a very bad idea and threatened to file an intent for receivership unless other members stepped up to fill the board. NOW we have members who are interested! Problem is, I'm no longer a board member or president. Looking back, I admit it was not the smartest thing to do, or my finest hour, but I was frustrated and burnt out. Now, after having other members willing to serve on the board, become officers and share the responsibilities, I'm willing to give it another shot because 1. I now have a better understanding of what needs to be done and a willingness to learn. – And – 2. Nobody else will spend as much time and effort as I have so far and I'm afraid we will be in a much worse situation bringing someone in "cold" and not wanting to shove the responsibilities off on to somebody else and overwhelm them.

After combing through the bylaws of our association more carefully and with a highlighter I found the following:

DIRECTORS
Number and qualifications. – The number of directors shall automatically be increased to 3 when the Class B membership is changed to Class A. The Board of Directors shall not consist of more than 5 persons

Vacancies. – Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors by death, resignation, or otherwise shall be filled promptly by majority vote of the remaining directors at a special meeting which shall be called for the purpose within 30 days after the occurrences of the vacancy. The director thus chosen shall hold office for the unexpired term of his predecessor in the election and qualification of his successor.

OFFICERS.
Vacancies. – All vacancies in any office shall be filled promptly by the Board of Directors either at regular meetings or at a meeting specialty called for that purpose.

And in the Articles of Incorporation it states under Board of Directors, "all vacancies occurring on the board of directors, if any, will be filled by a majority vote of the remaining director, even if less than a quorum. Any director may succeed himself or herself in office.
Our Annual Meeting is to be held in the month of February of each year.

SO, does this mean the remaining director have an obligation to fill the positions of the other two directors? If so, I cannot find how this is to be done.

And then the new board fills the vacancies of officers instead of waiting until February for the annual meeting? We have issues in our community which need addressing now, instead of waiting until February of next year.

Thank you for your time, patience, and helpfulness!

Lets see ... already answered this question on another thread. As noted in above bold text ... you potentially should not have resigned and instead fight a better fight for you and your neighbors. Now that you have resigned your questions are answered in your documents:

QUESTION: So, does this mean the remaining director have obligation to fill the positions of the other two directors? If so, I cannot find how this is to be done.

ANSWER: Vacancies. – Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors by death, resignation, or otherwise shall be filled promptly by majority vote of the remaining directors at a special meeting which shall be called for the purpose within 30 days after the occurrences of the vacancy. The director thus chosen shall hold office for the unexpired term of his predecessor in the election and qualification of his successor.

If you do not like what the one remaining Director chooses ... then you should not have resigned and given or left him with that power. Sometimes we reap what we sow.

RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GenoS on 05/11/2017 9:32 PM

Questions: Is your association incorporated?
How many homes/parcels and how many members? You'll need a majority to be in agreement that the remaining "director" needs to be recalled.

Thank you for your informative reply.

Yes, we are incorporated. Our development consists of 15 parcels. 2 members own 2 lots. So 13 property owners each having 1 vote per lot.

RobertS17 (Florida)
Posts: 52
Posted:
UPDATE:
1. This has been a life lesson learned!
2. Things are looking up already.

On April 24, 2017, I had our attorney send a strongly worded letter to all the homeowners explaining the unfortunate situation of our neighborhood given my inability to fulfill my fiduciary responsibility to the membership… And the passing of Director #2 making the situation more serious… What this means is that should this matter not be corrected by individuals willing to step forward to serve your community, the State may have to step in and appoint a receiver…

Now today I get an email from "Director #3" touching base to see if I heard anything from any other members and not wanting the Association run by an appointed board…

So per your advice, I'm going to ask him to call a board meeting. He can then appoint me as a director once again. We then
vote in another director. If I can get another volunteer, then the 3 of us can vote him in as a 4th director. The director, not in good standing, is busy with his job a lot. This would give him the opportunity to step down if he chooses, so we wouldn't even have to go through the formalities of removing him and avoid conflict. Betty said she would be the treasurer, but didn't want to be on the BOD. I'll explain to her how every officer must be on the BOD, however, she can abstain from voting if she chooses, and not even have to show up for board meetings unless she is needed. I'll explain to her how much that would be appreciated as we really do need her help. That would eliminate a ton of stress from me. One of the other board members can be Secretary and take notes at the meetings and in return, I can help her with the minutes and letter writing.

Now if all that happens, we can focus on pressing issues affecting our community until the annual meeting in February. Proxy forms can help establish a quorum for the annual meeting and we will be in a much better situation.

Wish me luck!

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