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NathanielM2 (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
My HOA was under the micro scope for years now of allege misappropriation, our board don't have the money to hire a forensic audit. We are a 400 plus unit association. Does anyone have any practical advice on how we can find out if shenanigans are going out, over billing, kickbacks, dummy companies etc.

Thanks
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
Posted:
With 400 units you should be able to scrape up about $4000 pretty easy
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
First figure out if all that negative stuff is true or assumed. Is it just good tongue wagging or are you not seeing results or effects? Just curious. Seems if your HOA is that broke then it means they aren't collecting enough money to cover their bills. The very thing they are supposed to do. Collect as much in as they spend out. So if you do want an audit then expect to collect the funds from ALL the owners to pay for it. Just like someone else posted. All 400 want an audit? Then best make a special assessment for it and kick in $100 a piece.

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RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
From experience, it doesn't cost $4000.00. All that is needed is the general ledger for the past year. If you are on the Board, that should be no problem obtaining. If not, best of luck.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Nathaniel,

To determine how you can find out if shenanigans are going out, over billing, kickbacks, dummy companies etc. does require a forensic audit. Such an audit is quite expensive so most HOAs do not go to that expense. It is much better for the Board to set up procedures which allow effective financial monitoring on a monthly basis.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
What do you mean your HOA "WAS under a microscope"?

Has the board established a financial committee?

What specifically are you concerned with?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Nathaniel,

Are you on the Board?
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NathanielM2 on 05/10/2017 9:50 AM
My HOA was under the micro scope for years now of allege misappropriation, our board don't have the money to hire a forensic audit. We are a 400 plus unit association. Does anyone have any practical advice on how we can find out if shenanigans are going out, over billing, kickbacks, dummy companies etc.

Thanks

A Forensic audit or a Financial audit? There's a difference.

A Forensic audit is conducted for the purpose of developing evidence for a criminal or civil prosecution, it involves highly skilled auditors or investigators. If there is over billing, kickbacks, dummy companies etc it is highly doubtful that a non law enforcement auditor would have the ability to obtain the records of the companies doing business with the HOA. You have to get those kind of records via the legal process such as subpoenas.

On the other hand a Financial audit is an audit of the books and financial records of the business or organization and while it may also turn up evidence of impropriety, is is used to determine if the business or organization is operating using generally accepted accounting principals. In it's simplest form it follows the money from receipt to disbursement. It might turn up suspicious transactions, such as invoices billing more than what is the reasonable amount for a service. Such suspicious transactions can then be referred to law enforcement for appropriate investigation.

I'd say you're better off just doing a financial audit and if the HOA is unwilling or unable to pay, then the members should be able to get access to the records and review them. The question is how far back do the records go, and how far back do you want to look at. An audit is really just basic math, what comes in - minus what goes out - equals whats left.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Kickbacks are very difficult to prove. A director steers a big job to a contractor buddy of his whose bid was not the lowest. Unbeknownst to anyone else, the contractor rewards the director with an envelope full of $100 bills. How on earth do you prove that without subpoena power? Rumor, speculation, gossip and hearsay aren't going to cut it. Not even when the director and his wife go on an expensive cruise a month after the job is completed. If you can, watch the old Seinfeld episode titled, "The Cadillac" to get an idea of how accusing someone of behaving badly should not be done.

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