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JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
http://i.imgur.com/3JLSriu.jpg

Our covenants say 6 feet fence is allowed (the fence on the right in picture).
The one on the left is 7.5-8 feet tall because it's built on a deck.

1) Is this fence in violation of covenants?

2) Regarding a DIFFERENT fence than pictured, somebody built their fence so it goes from the back yard up to the front corners of the house. Is that allowed? No board member is aware what this part means: "No fence or wall shall extend beyond the front setback, or front and side setback line on any corner lot."

Covenants say:

Section 13. Fences.

All fences and walls must be approved by the ACC as to location, size and materials. Walls, fences, copings, or boundary plantings may not be constructed or maintained in such a manner to interfere with the vision of drivers at any intersection of streets or roads. Fences may be constructed on side boundary lines, and rear boundary lines, but if constructed in a Utility Easement, the fence must be removable to allow utility repairs. No fence or wall shall extend beyond the front setback, or front and side setback line on any corner lot. No fence or wall greater than six (6) feet in height is permitted.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
No fence or wall greater than six (6) feet in height is permitted.


I have a backside and an opinion to go along.

No, whether it is a fence or a wall.

It is NOT a deck railing.

? Was it approved ?

If yes - go after the association for its removal

If no - go after the HO

HOWEVER

? What's the difference ?

Both 'fences' in your photo are ugly as sin itself.

? Has your HOA no guidelines ?

Apparently 'anything goes'.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeremyM3 on 05/10/2017 6:02 AM

2) Regarding a DIFFERENT fence than pictured, somebody built their fence so it goes from the back yard up to the front corners of the house. Is that allowed? No board member is aware what this part means: "No fence or wall shall extend beyond the front setback, or front and side setback line on any corner lot."

A fence from the front corners of the house going back should be allowed by this verbiage. To find out where the setbacks are, you would need to look at the subdivision plat or a survey of the property, the setbacks should be identified there. For example, if the front set back of the property is 20 feet, nothing should be built (including the house) within 20 feet of the front property line. In this example, if the front of the house was 25 feet from the property line, the fence could conceivably be 5 feet in front of the house and still within the setback.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Since it sounds like the board might not even know what a setback is, here is a visual example of a property showing the setbacks:
http://www.lynnwoodwa.gov/Assets/Departments/Community+Development/Photos+and+Images/Setback.jpg

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
How tall is it from the deck up?
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
From the deck up it's 6 feet. But from the ground up it's 7.5-8 feet
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Well, if it's six feet up then, based on your citation, yes it's a violation.
You knew that.

Now, if they had requested and received approval for the fence, it will likely cost the Association money to fix it. This is because the member acted in good faith, received approval and spent the money prior to someone saying Oops, we were wrong, you can't have that fence. If that occurred, the Association may be purchasing a new fence for the member.

This is why, in another thread, I said it's an easy fix. A simple letter specifying that when the fence is replaced it must comply.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
CORRECTION (I initially thought 4 feet was the authorized height),

In my opinion, if it's six feet off the deck, and it appears to remain about that height on the side yard, then no, in my opinion it's not in violation.

Again, if they had requested and received approval for the fence, it will likely cost the Association money to fix it. This is because the member acted in good faith, received approval and spent the money prior to someone saying Oops, we were wrong, you can't have that fence. If that occurred, the Association may be purchasing a new fence for the member.
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 05/10/2017 8:20 PM
CORRECTION (I initially thought 4 feet was the authorized height),

In my opinion, if it's six feet off the deck, and it appears to remain about that height on the side yard, then no, in my opinion it's not in violation.

Again, if they had requested and received approval for the fence, it will likely cost the Association money to fix it. This is because the member acted in good faith, received approval and spent the money prior to someone saying Oops, we were wrong, you can't have that fence. If that occurred, the Association may be purchasing a new fence for the member.

The home builder actually built the fence in violation, then gave the house buyer a small discount so they could get the fence fixed. Although it hasn't been fixed. The builder was the declarant/had control of the HOA when it was built, it wasn't turned over to the residents yet then.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I'm getting the impression that the member who has the fence may be your neighbor.
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Nope...they're across the street and 3 houses down from me. In the picture, the house on the right with the 6 ft fence complained to me about their neighbor having the tall fence. Since I'm on the board...I'm trying my best to have it enforced even though 4 board members voted that it's okay as is.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Since the builder built it that way, in my opinion, the Association would likely have to pay for damages (at least at some percentage).

If you don't have written documentation that the Builder provided the owner with funds to fix the issue, then good luck proving it in court.

As I said, I personally think the fence is in compliance.
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
Posted:
The house is on a slight incline, part of the deck is in fact level with the house, and the fence is in fact 6'. There would be no other way to build that fence without it looking ridiculous.
In my opinion, the home owner did nothing wrong. Get over it.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By JeremyM3 on 05/10/2017 6:02 AM
http://i.imgur.com/3JLSriu.jpg

Our covenants say 6 feet fence is allowed (the fence on the right in picture).
The one on the left is 7.5-8 feet tall because it's built on a deck.

1) Is this fence in violation of covenants?

2) Regarding a DIFFERENT fence than pictured, somebody built their fence so it goes from the back yard up to the front corners of the house. Is that allowed? No board member is aware what this part means: "No fence or wall shall extend beyond the front setback, or front and side setback line on any corner lot."

Covenants say:

Section 13. Fences.

All fences and walls must be approved by the ACC as to location, size and materials. Walls, fences, copings, or boundary plantings may not be constructed or maintained in such a manner to interfere with the vision of drivers at any intersection of streets or roads. Fences may be constructed on side boundary lines, and rear boundary lines, but if constructed in a Utility Easement, the fence must be removable to allow utility repairs. No fence or wall shall extend beyond the front setback, or front and side setback line on any corner lot. No fence or wall greater than six (6) feet in height is permitted.

That is potentially taken from your local building codes. Keep in mind your fences also cannot violate your local building codes. When homes are build the local government has "setback" distances on where the home can be built on a lot. They also in some area have setback distances for fences. For example in my local city any fence must be 3 feet behind the building setback for the sides of the home. This is generally because utility meters are placed in those areas and need to be accessible to meter readers and not behind a 6' fence.
JM16 (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
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Posted By MichelleK5 on 05/11/2017 5:31 AM
The house is on a slight incline, part of the deck is in fact level with the house, and the fence is in fact 6'. There would be no other way to build that fence without it looking ridiculous.
In my opinion, the home owner did nothing wrong. Get over it.

I agree in general that the fence is small potatoes and probably not worth the neighborhood fight. However, by your logic anyone with a house on a slope could build a fence level with their house no matter than run. IE They could build a 20 foot tall fence in the backyard to keep it level with the house if there's a 14 drop at the back of their lot.
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
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Posted By JM16 on 05/12/2017 5:47 AM
Posted By MichelleK5 on 05/11/2017 5:31 AM
The house is on a slight incline, part of the deck is in fact level with the house, and the fence is in fact 6'. There would be no other way to build that fence without it looking ridiculous.
In my opinion, the home owner did nothing wrong. Get over it.


I agree in general that the fence is small potatoes and probably not worth the neighborhood fight. However, by your logic anyone with a house on a slope could build a fence level with their house no matter than run. IE They could build a 20 foot tall fence in the backyard to keep it level with the house if there's a 14 drop at the back of their lot.

I understand what you're saying, but the truth is you won't have anything that extreme for homes that are that close together. At least the part of the property where the fences meet. And I don't think 2 feet is a big deal.

There's nothing in the covenants to disallow this fence, other than not getting prior approval. But the previous owner built it, not the new one.
To be honest, I think in this instance, the HOA is SOOL.

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