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ConchoP (Texas)
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Our association has been advised to change from an unincorporated association to incorporated HOA.

In Texas does this involve a vote from the membership, because it involves amending the bylaws?
RichardP13 (California)
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IMHO, the person who gave you that advise should also know, based on your documents and state statues, whether a vote of the membership is now required.
RichardP13 (California)
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Below is an opinion from a law firm in California. While it is in my state, it might give you an idea of the pros and cons of being incorporated.

Separate Existence. Associations may be incorporated or unincorporated. (Civ. Code §4800.) An unincorporated association has a legal existence separate from its membership and can be sued in the same way that an incorporated association can be sued. White v. Cox (1971) 17 Cal.App.3d 824. As a separate entity, an unincorporated association owes a duty of care to its members. (Ritter & Ritter v. Churchill.)

Powers. By statute, unincorporated associations may exercise all of the powers of incorporated associations (Civ. Code §4805)), including the power to initiate and defend litigation. (Civ. Code §5980.) The powers of a corporation are defined in Corporations Code §7140. Following are some of the benefits of incorporation:

Procedural Guidelines. Although unincorporated associations have all of the management powers of an incorporated association, they still lack certain benefits and protections given to incorporated associations. Corporations are well-recognized and understood. They have the Corporations Code and case law, both of which provide procedural guidelines and protections not afforded unincorporated associations.

Liability Protection. Incorporation offers clearer protections against the membership's vicarious personal liability in contract and tort actions against the association. Because the cost of incorporation is minimal and protections can be significant, incorporation is usually preferable.

Bank Loans. Associations will from time-to-time need to finance a large repair project in the common areas. Banks will readily loan to incorporated associations. Unincorporated associations will have more difficulty.
ConchoP (Texas)
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I was a first free consolation with a lawyer...they don't read throw all the documents at the firs console.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By ConchoP on 05/03/2017 3:51 PM
Our association has been advised to change from an unincorporated association to incorporated HOA.

In Texas does this involve a vote from the membership, because it involves amending the bylaws?

Who told you that??? While would agree that potentially in most states HOA should be a Non-Proffit Corporation ... keep in mind from past posts you are still under Developer control. Therefore, is this another issue which your developer needs to fix and dig out of his own hole he made himself.
ConchoP (Texas)
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Yes, I"m sorry the lawyers suggested we become a non- profit corporation. I agree that the developer holds the controlling votes, however with how our bylaws are written changing the bylaws may be amended at any time by the vote of 70% percent of the allowed votes to be cast in the HOA.

So the question is is changing from unincorporated nonprofit association to a nonprofit corporation > Is this considered changing the bylaws and require the 70& percent of votes...because even with with developer votes we still need about 100 homeowners votes. Which will be impossible.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
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You are going to have a difficult time right now doing much until the developer sells a few more homes. Here is info on unincorporated nonprofit associations:

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/corp/forms/208_boc.pdf

It looks like the two status are somewhat similar, but your issue is the developer is still in control. Remember when I told you patience is a virtue??? Keep in mind you are possibly going to need to pay attorney in future, so careful about spending too much now on items you possibly cannot control yet. Also, the developer has a number of issues he needs to dig himself out of ... I personally would make developer fix his problems before taking over responsibility or liability.
ConchoP (Texas)
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Our entire board resigned before getting the paperwork done for the bank account...so we have no money .... no board...no insurance...no common areas... no annual assessments being billed ever....bad dips where the HOA is named as having to maintain bad roads....and know one to sit on the board until the bylaws are changed, which will be a difficult task even if the developer votes to change to a non profit corporation.

We do have a box of worms that when you take one worm out another onr popups and morffs into a bigger worm.

Currently we are waiting to talk to a lawyer to see if we can file an injunction to get the developer to stop building in the development until he builds a second entrance. Currently we have 250 homes that are lived in, with and additional 99 lots plats in which the developer or another builder can build on...and one entrance. IF we can get an injunction that will defiantly ring his bell.

Then we are playing with some ideas.
1) Look into suing for him Breach of Fiduciary duty
2) Possibly of doing a mediation so that homeowners can negotiate him either backing out of all his votes or going to one vote per lot; or drawing boundary lines and he takes the newest section and future sections for his HOA, and we get the others to form separate HOA.
3)or Once lawsuit is over, get a court order to dissolve the HOA, then start our own.

Right now we have to get a few homeowners to chip in together to file an injunction.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By ConchoP on 05/04/2017 6:58 PM
Our entire board resigned before getting the paperwork done for the bank account...so we have no money .... no board...no insurance...no common areas... no annual assessments being billed ever....bad dips where the HOA is named as having to maintain bad roads....and know one to sit on the board until the bylaws are changed, which will be a difficult task even if the developer votes to change to a non profit corporation.

We do have a box of worms that when you take one worm out another onr popups and morffs into a bigger worm.

Currently we are waiting to talk to a lawyer to see if we can file an injunction to get the developer to stop building in the development until he builds a second entrance. Currently we have 250 homes that are lived in, with and additional 99 lots plats in which the developer or another builder can build on...and one entrance. IF we can get an injunction that will defiantly ring his bell.

Then we are playing with some ideas.
1) Look into suing for him Breach of Fiduciary duty
2) Possibly of doing a mediation so that homeowners can negotiate him either backing out of all his votes or going to one vote per lot; or drawing boundary lines and he takes the newest section and future sections for his HOA, and we get the others to form separate HOA.
3)or Once lawsuit is over, get a court order to dissolve the HOA, then start our own.

Right now we have to get a few homeowners to chip in together to file an injunction.

Did you pull the contracts between the Developer and the County??? Was their items in that contract whereby the developer is required to finish the roads per the County specs??? I personally estimate you are going to spend a lot of money on an attorney and court to get the developer to build a "second entrance" when the Local County Government already approved what is currently being built and is potentially per your statements only one entrance. I would be willing to bet you will LOOSE that battle ... why, because unless what is already approved violated the local ordinances in effect at the time of approval ... sorry, that contract in effect at that time potentially should not be overridden. The Developer and the County entered into a contract and the homeowner's later cannot override a prior agreement.

Potentially it will be a cold day down below before you will receive an injunction against the developer to stop building per a legal and valid contract the developer received to build from the local County Government meeting their regulations. However, if you want to spend time and money on that effort ... good luck because I estimate you will need it.
ConchoP (Texas)
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There are not contracts between the developer and the county. The county has subdivision regulations that state what is required of the developer in order for the county to take them over.The county subdivision regulations do not state how many home can be built before a second entrance is required. It is up to the developer to submit the required paper to the county showing the road were built to county specs, then the developer can request that county take the roads over. However at this time our county does not have the funds to take on more roads, so they charge the developer or HOA a fee to take the roads over.The fee is between 25K -35K per mile. We have over 5 miles...the developer won't pay.

The county told the developer that they will not approve any more plats until they are presented with a plat that has the second entrance and a performance bond. So in theory, at that point he would be stopped by the county. However the plat that has the entrance is plat 12. Just last month the developer was able to file plat 10B because it was approved by the county back in 2013, he just didn't file it until he was ready to build. So my thinking if the county might have approved plat 11 and they don't remember doing that too.

He has the road for the entrance cut out just a appease homeowners and at a meeting with him, he stated he didn't know when he could get it built because of economics...well economics isn't stopping him from building in our development and other places around town.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By ConchoP on 05/05/2017 8:59 AM
There are not contracts between the developer and the county. The county has subdivision regulations that state what is required of the developer in order for the county to take them over.The county subdivision regulations do not state how many home can be built before a second entrance is required. It is up to the developer to submit the required paper to the county showing the road were built to county specs, then the developer can request that county take the roads over. However at this time our county does not have the funds to take on more roads, so they charge the developer or HOA a fee to take the roads over.The fee is between 25K -35K per mile. We have over 5 miles...the developer won't pay.

The county told the developer that they will not approve any more plats until they are presented with a plat that has the second entrance and a performance bond. So in theory, at that point he would be stopped by the county. However the plat that has the entrance is plat 12. Just last month the developer was able to file plat 10B because it was approved by the county back in 2013, he just didn't file it until he was ready to build. So my thinking if the county might have approved plat 11 and they don't remember doing that too.

He has the road for the entrance cut out just a appease homeowners and at a meeting with him, he stated he didn't know when he could get it built because of economics...well economics isn't stopping him from building in our development and other places around town.


I have served for a number of years on my local Planning Commission and some items you have stated are confusing. Generally a developer will file a Site Improvement Agreement (SIA) with the local government which must go through their channels. This generally is initially reviewed by the government's Planning Commission at an appropriately called meeting (after notices given to surrounding residents and signs posted) and then final approval from the City or County Government via their Council Meetings. That filed SIA must follow the local governments subdivision regulations and potentially other local ordinances. The information is sent to the Planning Commissioners and Government officials prior to their meetings so they can review ahead of time and make a decision at their appropriately called meetings.

When the developer submits his paperwork the local government generally also requests essentially ernest money (which is generally quite a bit of $$$) which is placed into an escrow account to insure the developer abides by what has been agreed to in the SIA contract. This is so that if the developer does not follow through with the agreed contract the local government has $$$ they can access to help complete the project or fix items not appropriately completed.

What you are now describing is potentially what we call a Phased Community. If a developer owners a large amount of land they will sometimes build in various "Phases". However, the drawback is each Phase must meet the different regulations and development fees in effect at the time of the next phase being approved. When those regulations change and fees increase the developer does not like it ... but they made their choice to defer to a later date.

The developer can potentially build what has already been approved, but if he is looking to expand then he potentially needs to get his next Phase approved. However, I would contend the County should not approve (and Owners can attend the Planning Commission and County Council meetings) to voice their opinion on the subject until he makes good on what has already been promised to both the County and the Current Owners.

I still would contend there MUST be some contract between the Developer and the County. Did you go to your local County Records Department and research or ask them about any documents on file??? On your local County Records website look up under HOA Name, Developer Business Name or Personal Name, and County Name for the date range starting before development was approved. I bet there should be a contract filed.

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