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MichaelH21 (Georgia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I'd like to thank those who responded to my inquiry about printing costs. We got a refund of almost $700 from our MC, albeit with no apology, just assurances it was an honest mistake. A mistake however, that they cannot explain. I and at least one other board member believe we should switch MC, as we are sure it was no mistake, and at .12 per copy side, they are making money on our printing. Our president thinks we should basically move forward with them, since MC knows we are keeping an eye out. How big of a pain would it be to switch, and do you see this as a big enough reason to do so? Thank you for your thoughts!
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
It is not uncommon for MC to charge for copies, as it should be in their contract. Some may build it into the monthly fee based on the type and size of your community. $0.12 is not an uncommon price. Many companies will lease their copiers and this is one way to paid for the lease.

Is it a pain to switch, yes. Is it a big enough to switch? For this, probably not, but I would look at the balance switch and income/expense statements for the past three years and see if there are significant numbers to be concerned about.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
First and foremost read the contract between the MC and the Association.

Typical contracts do not allow simple termination but allows for an opportunity for the alleged wrong doer to make it right and move forward. Additionally, there may be penalties for terminating a contract early and advance notice requirements. Hence, read the existing contract and understand all of it.

Now, I'm one that believes every contract should go out for bid when the contract time is up, even if you like the working relationship you are in. This way, the Association knows that they are getting a fair deal at the prevailing rates. If another company is lower and you like the company you are with, give them an option to match those rates (most will if the bid was realistic).

With any contract you need to decide what you want and don't want an MC to do and draft a statement of work that you are expecting from such a business relationship. Use your existing contract as a basis for that statement. This lets bidders know what you are expecting and allows you to compare apples to apples.

Hope this helps,

Tim
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I agree with Tim. With us we have a policy that every year ALL contracts come up for bid. We have a 3 bid process. The current company can toss their bid in just like everyone else. Incumbent doesn't mean they have inside advantage. It means if they are doing a good job we keep them. They may even get a raise if we find out that the industry standard has changed.

Simply shop around and see your options. That will put your mind at rest if what you have is worth it or not.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 05/02/2017 6:36 PM

Typical contracts do not allow simple termination but allows for an opportunity for the alleged wrong doer to make it right and move forward. Additionally, there may be penalties for terminating a contract early and advance notice requirements.

Actually, having dealt with a number of termination, I have never come across one that had to be terminated for cause and gave the MC the opportunity to correct. Now, what I have seen a lot is the "evergreen clause". I have walked away from 6 or 7 with their specific termination language.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By RichardP13 on 05/02/2017 8:32 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 05/02/2017 6:36 PM

Typical contracts do not allow simple termination but allows for an opportunity for the alleged wrong doer to make it right and move forward. Additionally, there may be penalties for terminating a contract early and advance notice requirements.


Actually, having dealt with a number of termination, I have never come across one that had to be terminated for cause and gave the MC the opportunity to correct. Now, what I have seen a lot is the "evergreen clause". I have walked away from 6 or 7 with their specific termination language.

Would depend on the "contract". I am with Tim that a potential "honest" misunderstanding deserves the benefit of doubt.

Michael ... I made copies a short while back at my local large office supply company and was charged .10 per copy for black & while copies. Potentially .12 per copy for a smaller business is not outrageous fee. The alternative is for the association to supply a printer/copier such as an HP and pay for the print cartridges to make copies. By the time you pay for ink and someone to spend time making copies ... it may come out similar cost.
MichaelH21 (Georgia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Thank you everyone!.......all good information and food for thought. There have been a couple of recent previous incidents with MC that were questionable actions on their part, but they were given the benefit of the doubt. In this case when questioned about the charges we were told it was no mistake, and they gave general reasons for the high numbers. When I demanded details, they stopped answering emails for several days before admitting the "error". The person who handles our HOA is extremely knowledgable and really knows their stuff, which makes the thought of change hard. I just have a problem giving our business to someone whom I feel has been caught stealing the HOA's money. Buy maybe the grass isn't greener.........

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You might want to continue with them for a while, but if you haven't done so, put them on notice that you have some concerns. Be specific as to what they are and discuss ways to resolve them. Give them until the end of the year to see if there's any improvement and then decide if you'd like to stay with them or start looking around. From now on, evaluation of the property manager should be an annual task whether you stay with this one or not.

You might also want to poll your homeowners as well, to see what they like or don't like about the property manager - bring those concerns to the meeting as well. Keep in mind that some of those issues may have more to do with the Board, and since the property manager takes his/her direction from the Board, perhaps it's a good time for all of you to take a look at what you're doing (or not) to promote a good relationship.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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