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GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I paid for 5 custom Private Property signs and posted them in locations throughout our community with the approval of our (so-called) BOD. I have requested (via email) reimbursement from our newly hired management company but have not received a check for my expenses. It has been over 30 days since my request for reimbursement. I am ready to file a small claims suit to recover my expenses. Any suggestions to avoid legal proceedings?

Glenn Mounts
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Suing your HOA is suing yourself. This isn't worth the hassle. You should have submitted the bill to the BOD and NOT the management company. The BOD should have forwarded it to the MC IF they had approved it. You might have skipped a step here. The management company has to get permission from the board to issue checks. If they don't know this was approved, they aren't going to do anything.

Besides, in our HOA it takes a bookkeeper signature and the Presidents (or other assigned Board member) to sign a check. So the check still has to go back to the BOD before you may get it.

Former HOA President
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Present the emails (Board approval for project, and the request for payment), the invoice for costs, and the unanswered submission to the Board at the next meeting.

If board meetings are not schedule until later date, send above certified mail to the the M/C, and President. Might sound like overkill, but if you have properly submitted to M/C and were up to now ignored, then requests should go to directly to board and President.

Understand that mistakes do occur, there are a dozen "what if's" which may have occured (especially since you noted that this is a new M/C). Give it another go to seek payment from M/C and the board, in transitioning to new M/C it is not that unusual to have doc's lost, misplaced/mis-filed, etc.

Clearly emphasize the request for payment for services rendered.

If payment is not recieved in thirty days, then take matter to small claims court.

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
GlennM1:
Did you have an agreement with the Board to purchase the signs and for you to be reimbursed for the cost of them?

It is the Board who OKs expenses and the mgmt. company who issues checks/payment against the approved expenses.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Glenn, your problem is probably either the expense was not preapproved or there is miscommunication between you/Board/MC. Call the Board members who authorized your expenditure and forget about the suit.

Normally we prepare checks once a month unless a special request is made by a representative of the Board. We only prepare checks for authorized expenditures. So if you bought the signs without documented authorization for the expenditure as your MC we would not be able to provide a check.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Glenn:

Hopefully you have something in writing or a witness to the boards approval. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to court, sometimes it takes a little bit to get checks cut. As others have send bring it up at the next meeting or a send a certified letter. I don't agree with Melissa's take on this that you should skip court, if the board approved it then you should be entitled to reimbursement.
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
First of all, I want to thank everyone who replied to my post for your thoughts and advice! I finally received my reimbursement check from our management company (on August 3rd, 51 calandar days from my first request for payment and without having to hire a lawyer or file a claim). Instead of dealing with CDC's (bimbo) "property manager", I cc'd the company's president and payment was made promptly then, and a new "property manager" was appointed by CDC.

Since then, one of our BOD members quit the job, an election was held to replace him, but it seems that the replacement board member is invisible...no announcements whatsoever. I have also heard (through the grapevine) that 2 additional board members have been appointed. I have no idea what is going on within our HOA. There is absolutely no enforcement of our CC&Rs, we have no website, we lost our landscape/mowing crew and now there is only one man that has accepted the insurmountable task to mow our lawns, 148 lots and common areas. Can someone please give me some direction on what I can do (as a non BOD Volunteer) to make our HOA much less dysfunctional? HELP!!!!!!


Glenn Mounts
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Attend the Board meetings to observe, if necessary.

Your post is full of "here-say" You need to find out the facts and be sure you read your CCRs and bylaws before you offer "help".
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks for you post Susan. I would be happy to attend any board meeting as an observer, if we had board meetings. These are the facts: The BOD doesn't have any meetings, or, if they do, we homeowners don't know about them. There is no communication from either our M/C or BOD at all, unless a BOD vacancy develops.

I continue to observe countless and repeated CC&R violations within our community and this scenario has not changed for the last 8 years. I'm simply trying to figure out why our HOA does not have a website and why are the CC&Rs and House Rules are not being enforced and I want to come up with a functional solution to our dysfunctional HOA.

Glenn Mounts
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
No Board meetings? Really?

Ask around some more. The HOA doesn't run itself and some body had to develop a budget for the MC to follow. Who's signing the checks?

Did an Annual Meeting of the Members ever take place?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Susan, weird as it may sound, many boards don't hold more than maybe 2 meetings a year: the annual meeting and a meeting just before or just after it.

Our board meets once a month, the second Tuesday of every month. But I've run into some that hold meetings quarterly, or "as needed," which sometimes means only a handful of times a year.

However, I'm somewhat concerned about a resident who is ready to go to small claims court so quickly after turning in his receipts and not getting reimbursed in 30 days. And then who also wants to know what he can do, short of joining the board, to -- what?? bully the board?

Frankly 51 days may not be a finger snap for you, but even when I was working, the Fortune 800 company I worked for often didn't provide reimbursements for expenses in under 60 days.

I know I'm reading between the lines here, but it seems to me there is a bit of knee-jerk and hot-headedness going on.

I mean, what do you mean WHY doesn't the board or HOA have a website? Do the CC&Rs specify that they HAVE to have one? You can do a search on all of the known HOAs in my immediate area, and there are a slew of them, and you would find an online presence for only about 3 of them.

You want to come up with a "functional" solution for your (allegedly) "dysfunctional" HOA, yet you yourself don't want to devote any sweat equity into the situation by volunteering to be a board member?

I am always suspicious of people who want to dictate from the outside looking in, but don't want to shoulder any of the responsibility of the actual day-to-day decision-making and/or duties.

Here's the thing, you say you "continue to observe countless" and repeated violations in your community.

To whom do you report these "countless and repeated" violations? TO the M/C? To a board member? To anyone?

I do see that you did go around and put signs up for them. Apparently you had somewhat of a good relationship with a board member in order to be tapped to have made and put up Private Property signs throughout the neighborhood.

Is that person no longer on the board?

I'm sorry if I sound skeptical, but it seems to me there is a great deal more here going on than is in your posts.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
I wuldn't sue the Association for small things but suing the Association is really ok for major things. That's what the Associations have insurance for. The Board should see that you are reimbursed.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GlennM1 on 05/22/2008 11:52 AM
Thanks for you post Susan. I would be happy to attend any board meeting as an observer, if we had board meetings. These are the facts: The BOD doesn't have any meetings, or, if they do, we homeowners don't know about them. There is no communication from either our M/C or BOD at all, unless a BOD vacancy develops.

I continue to observe countless and repeated CC&R violations within our community and this scenario has not changed for the last 8 years. I'm simply trying to figure out why our HOA does not have a website and why are the CC&Rs and House Rules are not being enforced and I want to come up with a functional solution to our dysfunctional HOA.

Glenn,

I know that many states do not have an "open meeting" law (or sunshine law, as some state call it) that require all board meetings to be open to the members. In fact, some states don't have any state laws governing HOAs. Is WA one of those states?

Since you are so interested in knowing what is happening in your assn and seem to want to become somewhat involved, I would suggest contacting the board Pres and asking about board meetings, etc. You might want to point out the CCRs violations you've noticed and volunteer to serve on the A/C committee. Or perhaps you can volunteer to set up a community website or to edit a community newsletter, either one of which would be helpful in communicating with the membership. Try to strees the importance of communication. Instead of portraying a confrontational image, let the Pres know you're only goal is to be helpful. It's always good to remember that sugar works better than vinegar!!

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