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KrisS1 (California)
Posts: 3
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I've just discovered that the association has been using my electricity for irrigation timers. This has been going on as long as I've lived in the community.

Electrical use was without any agreement between myself and the association. I'm of the opinion that I should be reimburse at a reasonable rate for the electrical service provided all these years. And, have an agreement for future reimbursement.

Also, any of you legal eagles - is there anything regarding treble damages for unlawful use (theft) of electricity?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Just how much are your monetary damages? That would be nice to know before we advise you take hostages. My own guess is that the usage is pennies per month.

Lawyers sometimes use a Latin expression about de minimus Lex. This is often interpreted to mean, "The law has no remedies for trivial matters" or "No new car for Kris."

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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We have a handful of homes where we tap into the owners electric service to power our irrigation timers. We reimburse $10 a year since forever.
KrisS1 (California)
Posts: 3
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LarryB13 - thank you so much for your less than kind words and assumption. Unfortunately, I'm not looking for a new car as I am permanently disabled (no use of legs). That being said, I'm fairly young, NOT on disability (gee,I actually support myself), but don't have an unlimited budget. I volunteer in my condo association using my hands and my brain, but am not willing to donate money to this cause. I did a calculation on kilowatts used for a period of time and it appears to be somewhere around $800 for almost 10 years. For someone on a limited income, $800 is alot of money. But, perhaps you're not on a limited income, so you can't relate to that.

GenoS - thank you for your note. I will bring this to the attention of the board and hope for reimbursement.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Our HOA does use some owners electric service for common area irrigation. We reimburse them also.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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I've just discovered that the association has been using my electricity for irrigation timers.


Your electric.

Your meter.

Simply have an electrician disconnect the 'tap'.

When they SCREAM, and they will, DEMAND a monthly reimbursement.

Then sit back and enjoy your newly created hell on earth.

OR

Point out the facts to your BOD and see what they can do.

ps. @ 10 cents / kwh your figures suggest 1 kwh+ per day - not hardly likely
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By KrisS1 on 04/29/2017 9:02 AM
I did a calculation on kilowatts used for a period of time and it appears to be somewhere around $800 for almost 10 years. For someone on a limited income, $800 is alot of money.

Realistically, $80 per year would be really high unless you are also powering a pump motor for a well. Unless you plugged it into a kill-a-watt or some other metering device, it's hard to say how much the irrigation controller is actually using. The ratings on the power supply are just the maximum draw under full load, most of the time the controller is probably drawing close to nothing, just enough to keep time and keep an LCD display active. The controller will draw more when it is operating the solenoids to turn the water on, and even that would most likely be fairly less than the power supply max rating, and that will be for fairly small amount of time, probably a few hours a week. If I can find my kill-a-watt, I'll try it on my irrigation controller and see what typical draws are.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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I think the issue is less about reimbursement than it is about liability issues. Yes the chances of the irrigation timer causing a problem at the house are small. But god help the Association if the irrigation timer has a ground and trips some breaker at the house that is critical to some need. My HOA's attorney was very clear about how neither the HOA nor HOA members can monkey with property boundaries.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Kris,

With others, I do think your numbers are off.

Granted, electrical rates are different around the country, but my heat pump costs me $80 month.
I'm also curious how you determined the cost (disconnected to see the difference between normal use and use with the unit, amp meter attached to the line, etc.). I would suspect that the real amount may be (perhaps) closer to $100 or $120 for the 10 years.

I do agree that there should be some kind of reimbursement and an agreement with every new homeowner.

NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By KrisS1 on 04/28/2017 9:12 PM
I've just discovered that the association has been using my electricity for irrigation timers. This has been going on as long as I've lived in the community.

Electrical use was without any agreement between myself and the association. I'm of the opinion that I should be reimburse at a reasonable rate for the electrical service provided all these years. And, have an agreement for future reimbursement.

Also, any of you legal eagles - is there anything regarding treble damages for unlawful use (theft) of electricity?

Theft is a strong word. The association surely has records relating to the initial installation of the line to the irrigation system and it might have been in existence prior to you moving into the community.

Regardless you certainly are entitled to reimbursement for the cost of the electricity used by the association, but the actual cost is probably very minimal.

I can give you a pretty accurate representation of how much energy a typical irrigation system uses on a monthly basis as our association has four meters that are used for our electricity requirements. The meter that powers one of the irrigation systems was typically using 4 kilowatts per month. At our rate of .08 cents per month that comes in at about $3.84 per year. Of course that's not our total bill because it includes charges for other things that are typically added to an electric bill. But the actual electricity used was around 50 kilowatts per year.
JamesG (Connecticut)
Posts: 83
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We use the electricity from one unit to power a controller, as the cost to run a line from the "community" power was too great. This was done by agreement with the unit owner and documented by Board resolution. The agreement was recorded in the land records so that future owners would be aware as part of the title search. We annually send the owner $60 which more than covers the electricity that we use.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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I still can't find my monitoring meter, but I did check our power bills and took a look at one that only serves one commercial irrigation controller, and a few low voltage lights. We average 22 kilowatt/hours per month for about $2.50-$3.00. My guess is that the lights use much more of that than the irrigation system does.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/29/2017 10:28 PM
I think the issue is less about reimbursement than it is about liability issues. Yes the chances of the irrigation timer causing a problem at the house are small. But god help the Association if the irrigation timer has a ground and trips some breaker at the house that is critical to some need. My HOA's attorney was very clear about how neither the HOA nor HOA members can monkey with property boundaries.

This is a very good point. We had one owner who had a circuit (with a breaker on it) that ran one of the irrigation timer/controllers and also the owner's own extra refrigerator in his garage. The irrigation equipment caused a ground trip and the owner lost a fridge full of food. At least the warm beer was fixable.

HOA reimbursed him for the food and paid the bill for an extra dedicated circuit to be installed in his house. At the time we wanted to eliminate the need for the tap entirely, but it would have cost approx. $50,000 to have the local electric utility run lines to a new outdoor controller box on common property.

That was a few years ago. We're in the middle of a sprinkler system upgrade where the control wire runs to the solenoids use new technologoy (compared to the old system) that will enable control of all irrigation solenoids from one central location. When we're done there will be no need to tap into any owner's electric.

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