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MaryL10 (California)
Posts: 5
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I'm in Texas. We have a Board Member that is constantly violating the deed restriction. The management company representative told me the board turns a blind eye because he's a board member. What can be done about this?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By MaryL10 on 04/26/2017 5:49 PM
I'm in Texas. We have a Board Member that is constantly violating the deed restriction. The management company representative told me the board turns a blind eye because he's a board member. What can be done about this?

Elect different directors would be the most obvious answer.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
Your manager needs a refresher course in HOA management. Apparently, there is no help there.

Document thoroughly the violation(s). That means dates, photos, eyewitnesses and your own direct observation or experience. Details and facts matter.

Write a letter to the board and send it certified. Be as neutral-toned as possible in your letter. As official business, it will be entered into the Minutes and read at the next board meeting.

Email the board that you want to be put on the agenda to speak to the matter which you discussed in your letter.

Attend the meeting and speak to the violation and offer up a reasonable alternative behavior for the board member, if possible. State that you reasonably expect the board to do its fiduciary duty to protect ALL members from the negative effects of covenants violations. Ask when you can receive a written reply to your concerns.

Allow to simmer.
MaryL10 (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I am on the board and attended my first meeting last night. But the other Board Members have closed minds unless it's something they want done. This particular board member called me a bigot during the meeting. It's impossible to take pictures without driving next to his house as there is a park between his house and the Main Street into the subdivision. Personally I'm afraid of what he may do if I get close to his house to take a picture.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
you received excellent advice

you are too 'woosy' to accept it

either:

accept the situation

or

move
MaryL10 (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
That is such a rude remark. Please do not respond to anything I post.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If you’re on the board, you may need to call an executive session to address violations by this guy. Board members are community leaders and one can’t expect everyone else to follow the rules when board members don’t or refuse because they’re on the board (and therefore they are). Unfortunately, you might not get much headway there if no one else is willing to put the guy on blast.

Regarding the man calling you a bigot – I don’t know what type of relationship you two have had in the past, or the ethnic/racial makeup of either of you, but….are you SURE you aren’t singling him out for other reasons besides him being a board member? Often people hate to admit there’s personal beef that’s really influencing their actions – you may not want to hear this, but perhaps you do need to take a long hard look at yourself and check YOUR attitude before you start on this. Why not talk to a few people (non-board members) who don’t think, act or look like you to get some perspective? The truth can and does hurt, but it’s said that pain is weakness leaving the body (or mind/spirit in this case) – and prejudice IS a weakness.

Back to the rule violations – one way to approach this is to look around the neighborhood and see if anyone else has similar violations. Get photos of all of them, including the board member’s – if you’re on the street in front of the house, that should be public property, so use a camera with a zoom lens and have at it (make sure they’re time and date stamped). Better yet, suggest the management company do some sort of community walk-through to check for CCR violations – you can specify several – and they can take the photos and report back to the board. This way, the man isn’t singled out. Sometimes people don’t realize how tacky their homes look until they get a picture and then you can go on from there.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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One more thing – you’re new to the board, so that may be another reason you feel the others aren’t being as responsive as you think they should be. Why not slow down and give yourself a chance to get to know them as well as they getting a chance to know you better?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
@Mary: Forums are sometimes treacherous places and personalities emerge from the words. Words matter and can hurt. In a perfect world, everyone would be sensitive to the words of others and go slow with newbies (you). As you have seen and, if you continue to post here, you will see some objectionable personalities. They might characterize themselves as "brusque, no nonsense".

That being said, I wonder how well armored you are to life in a condo/HOA. Are you coming out of a honeymoon period? Are you recently becoming involved? Is this situation something that affects you directly or a general resentment of the person or board? A little perspective might be helpful to frame the situation.

From your response, you attended your first board meeting. It is shocking that a board member would publicly slander you as a bigot. Was that the board member who was violating the covenants? If that was in response to your voicing your complaint, that should ALSO be described in your letter.

PITA IS a PITA-her responses are usually as short as her name! There are other veterans who are "more brusque" than PITA, trust me. Many are ex-board members and that skews their bias against homeowner complaints.

This might not be an environment that is comfortable for you. Sheila made a great suggestion that some self-probing and reality-testing be done with neighbors.

If you would like to converse outside the forum, I am at [email protected]. I hope you will continue to attend the forum; if you are genuinely interested in HOA/Condo business and social aspects and how to problem-solve, there is no better place.
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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You have a dilemma with not too many viable options.

Is the nature of the violation severe enough to warrant action?
Do others in the community have the same violations yet get sanctioned for those violations? In other words is the violation routinely ignored or is it enforced on others? If it is the former then the board needs to consider rewriting the restrictions to exclude the non-enforced violation.

If others in the community are being sanctioned for the violation yet the director is not - you really only have a couple of options.

Bring it up at a board meeting and demand equal enforcement.

If the rest of the board don't go along you can always fall back on Section 203.003 of the Texas Property Code which gives the County Attorney the authority to enforce deed restrictions. You would of course have to contact the County Attorney.

"Sec. 203.003. COUNTY ATTORNEY AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE RESTRICTIONS. (a) The county attorney may sue in a court of competent jurisdiction to enjoin or abate violations of a restriction contained or incorporated by reference in a properly recorded plan, plat, replat, or other instrument affecting a real property subdivision located in the county, regardless of the date on which the instrument was recorded.

(b) The county attorney may not enforce a restriction relating to race or any other restriction that violates the state or federal constitution."

Lastly - is the lack of enforcement of the violation sufficient enough to justify the rancor, bad feelings, and all of the related problems that an official complaint would cause?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Hi MaryL10, it is good of you to serve on a HOA board and try to ensure the covenants are followed. It appears to me that you are dealing with a board majority that thinks it is above the law. From my reading and 20 years of living in three different HOAs, with significant time serving on HOA boards, what you are seeing is common. HOA directors are almost always unpaid, volunteering significant hours. I think it is pretty common for ill-informed board members to think, for all the time they give, they are allowed a break or some other compensation for their efforts.

You have tried talking to the board. I think whatever option you choose is likely to yield more hostility from the board, which means more negativity for your life.

Here are my suggestions:

1.
Call the HOA attorney and see if she or he will take your call to discuss this. Be prepared for the HOA attorney to say he or she can talk only with certain board members, per board decree.

2.
a.
Review your HOA's governing documents for how to enforce the covenants.

b.
File a complaint with the HOA using whatever official form exists for this. Have as many members as possible sign this.

c.
Document the HOA board's response or lack thereof.

d.
If the HOA fails to respond, send a letter of demand. You can google for information on same.

e.
Post back here with the Board's response to the letter of demand.

3.
If your HOA has a membership where few vote or those who do are allied with those on the board, then a great deal of work will be necessary to get an intelligent board elected. Over the coming months or years, you may have to decide whether you want to live with this.

4.
If this board member who is so hostile that you fear for your physical safety, do not hesitate to report any specific action of his to the police.

Can you give this a little more context and explain the covenant (a.k.a. "deed restriction") this director is violating?
MaryL10 (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Yes, the man is actually running a car repair service and many of the neighbors have complained. But instead of the management company sending him a letter, as they do others, they just ask him about it. The personality conflict is difficult but I have worked with those before with no problems. He kept poking at me asking what my problem was and I kept telling him to let it go. After about the 6th time I whispered to him that I thought anyone charged with indecency with a child was the scum of the earth. He called me a bigot after I said I was not in favor of spending more money on our little park. They just spent $40,000 on it last week. I brought up a couple of suggestions the neighbors had asked me to bring up. I was told no as soon as the words were out of my mouth. I was voted in as I told the neighborhood I would bring questions, concerns and suggestions to the board as well as share information with the neighborhood. The neighborhood has never been notified of a meeting until I posted it on our community site. Then I got an email from the man saying they are not open meetings. I replied that according to the by laws they are and in fact the home owners are to be notified of such meetings. I guess I should not have expected a professional meeting as 2 of the Board Members were eatidinner during the meeting, all 3 texting each other and whispering among themselves. I had at least expected a warm welcome as a new member.

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Posted By NigelB on 04/27/2017 7:34 AM
You have a dilemma with not too many viable options.

Is the nature of the violation severe enough to warrant action?
Do others in the community have the same violations yet get sanctioned for those violations? In other words is the violation routinely ignored or is it enforced on others? If it is the former then the board needs to consider rewriting the restrictions to exclude the non-enforced violation.

If others in the community are being sanctioned for the violation yet the director is not - you really only have a couple of options.

Bring it up at a board meeting and demand equal enforcement.

If the rest of the board don't go along you can always fall back on Section 203.003 of the Texas Property Code which gives the County Attorney the authority to enforce deed restrictions. You would of course have to contact the County Attorney.

"Sec. 203.003. COUNTY ATTORNEY AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE RESTRICTIONS. (a) The county attorney may sue in a court of competent jurisdiction to enjoin or abate violations of a restriction contained or incorporated by reference in a properly recorded plan, plat, replat, or other instrument affecting a real property subdivision located in the county, regardless of the date on which the instrument was recorded.

(b) The county attorney may not enforce a restriction relating to race or any other restriction that violates the state or federal constitution."

Lastly - is the lack of enforcement of the violation sufficient enough to justify the rancor, bad feelings, and all of the related problems that an official complaint would cause?

MaryL10 (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
According to our deed restrictions you can not work on any vehicles in your driveway that do not belong to you. He does. You are not to operate a business than can be seen outside. He is.

Yes, I am afraid for my safety. He's got lots of friends with the Constable's office and he indirectly threatened me.

Another item was to Lowe the speed limit in the neighborhood. He stated they could lower it but he would still drive the current speed limit and not have to pay a ticket.
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By MaryL10 on 04/27/2017 7:51 AM
Yes, the man is actually running a car repair service and many of the neighbors have complained. But instead of the management company sending him a letter, as they do others, they just ask him about it. The personality conflict is difficult but I have worked with those before with no problems. He kept poking at me asking what my problem was and I kept telling him to let it go. After about the 6th time I whispered to him that I thought anyone charged with indecency with a child was the scum of the earth. He called me a bigot after I said I was not in favor of spending more money on our little park. They just spent $40,000 on it last week. I brought up a couple of suggestions the neighbors had asked me to bring up. I was told no as soon as the words were out of my mouth. I was voted in as I told the neighborhood I would bring questions, concerns and suggestions to the board as well as share information with the neighborhood. The neighborhood has never been notified of a meeting until I posted it on our community site. Then I got an email from the man saying they are not open meetings. I replied that according to the by laws they are and in fact the home owners are to be notified of such meetings. I guess I should not have expected a professional meeting as 2 of the Board Members were eatidinner during the meeting, all 3 texting each other and whispering among themselves. I had at least expected a warm welcome as a new member.

Posted By NigelB on 04/27/2017 7:34 AM
You have a dilemma with not too many viable options.

Is the nature of the violation severe enough to warrant action?
Do others in the community have the same violations yet get sanctioned for those violations? In other words is the violation routinely ignored or is it enforced on others? If it is the former then the board needs to consider rewriting the restrictions to exclude the non-enforced violation.

If others in the community are being sanctioned for the violation yet the director is not - you really only have a couple of options.

Bring it up at a board meeting and demand equal enforcement.

If the rest of the board don't go along you can always fall back on Section 203.003 of the Texas Property Code which gives the County Attorney the authority to enforce deed restrictions. You would of course have to contact the County Attorney.

"Sec. 203.003. COUNTY ATTORNEY AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE RESTRICTIONS. (a) The county attorney may sue in a court of competent jurisdiction to enjoin or abate violations of a restriction contained or incorporated by reference in a properly recorded plan, plat, replat, or other instrument affecting a real property subdivision located in the county, regardless of the date on which the instrument was recorded.

(b) The county attorney may not enforce a restriction relating to race or any other restriction that violates the state or federal constitution."

Lastly - is the lack of enforcement of the violation sufficient enough to justify the rancor, bad feelings, and all of the related problems that an official complaint would cause?



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Posted By MaryL10 on 04/27/2017 7:51 AM
Yes, the man is actually running a car repair service and many of the neighbors have complained. But instead of the management company sending him a letter, as they do others, they just ask him about it. The personality conflict is difficult but I have worked with those before with no problems. He kept poking at me asking what my problem was and I kept telling him to let it go. After about the 6th time I whispered to him that I thought anyone charged with indecency with a child was the scum of the earth. He called me a bigot after I said I was not in favor of spending more money on our little park. They just spent $40,000 on it last week. I brought up a couple of suggestions the neighbors had asked me to bring up. I was told no as soon as the words were out of my mouth. I was voted in as I told the neighborhood I would bring questions, concerns and suggestions to the board as well as share information with the neighborhood. The neighborhood has never been notified of a meeting until I posted it on our community site. Then I got an email from the man saying they are not open meetings. I replied that according to the by laws they are and in fact the home owners are to be notified of such meetings. I guess I should not have expected a professional meeting as 2 of the Board Members were eatidinner during the meeting, all 3 texting each other and whispering among themselves. I had at least expected a warm welcome as a new member.


A couple of observations.

Under Sec. 209.0051 of the Texas Property Code Board Meetings must be open, and the members must be given notice at least 72 hours in advance of those meetings. Your property management company should know this and if they don't they shouldn't be doing business in Texas.

That being said - there is no requirement that members be individually notified, if the association has a website or if the management company hosts a website for the association, all that has to be done is to make the notification there. That happens quite frequently and most folks don't bother to check.

We try to notify our members through the management company site and also through a closed facebook group, other than those things that are discussed in executive session - there are no secrets in our community. We try to be as open as is possible.

You inferred that the director you are speaking of has some kind of record.

Section 209.0051 of the Texas Property Code states the following:

"(b) If a board is presented with written, documented evidence from a database or other record maintained by a governmental law enforcement authority that a board member was convicted of a felony or crime involving moral turpitude not more than 20 years before the date the board is presented with the evidence, the board member is immediately ineligible to serve on the board of the property owners' association, automatically considered removed from the board, and prohibited from future service on the board."
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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There definitely seems to be an issue with you two – it’s not necessarily your fault or his – sometimes that’s just the way things go. When I was on the board, there was one member who didn’t seem to like me and frankly, I wasn’t fond of him either because I thought he had a crappy looking house and let his tenants do whatever. Sometimes, I pointed out the tenant’s behavior during meetings because it was causing problems with the neighbors (one came to the meeting and blessed him out in front of everyone). As you might guess, he didn't appreciate what I was saying - once our president commented that we were like oil and water. The president was probably right, but work had to be done, so I tried to concentrate on the problems, not the people (if they were the problem that was another story!) Fortunately, that approach worked most of the time.

Eventually, that board member resigned – he had a dreadful attendance record anyway and I guess he lost interest. So, the first thing I’d say is to focus on this car repair issue, always keeping it professional – let HIM act an ass in front of everyone. You’d be surprised how many people will notice although they may not say anything at the time.

That being said, I suppose your comment about people being charged with indecency with a child was directed at him – if so, what does that have to do with his running a car repair shop out of his house? Then again, I wonder what was his point in calling you a bigot because you didn’t want to spend more money on the community park. Both of you need to stay on topic!

Now, let me take my own advice (!) Are there any city or county ordinances that address running these sorts of businesses out of one’s home (residential area?) If so, there should be an agency that enforces those rules – file a complaint with it and see what happens. If neighbors have complained, they should do the same. – that may get his attention.
And speaking of the neighbors, have they attended board MEETINGS and talked about this man in front of his face? It would be hard for the board to sit there and do nothing upon being confronted by a number of angry homeowners, but if they don’t, those neighbors may need to be the genesis of a moment to recall this board member, along with a few others for their lack of consistency.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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Posted By MaryL10 on 04/27/2017 5:56 AM
That is such a rude remark. Please do not respond to anything I post.

rude / brusque

potato / potatto

many others have simply repeated my comment(s) in 10,000 more, albeit 'sugar coated', words

ps. PITA is a he (retired construction management and treasurer of the HOA)
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
Heh Heh sorry PITA, Sir.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Sometimes, however, I bi^*h and moan.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By MaryL10 on 04/26/2017 5:49 PM
I'm in Texas. We have a Board Member that is constantly violating the deed restriction. The management company representative told me the board turns a blind eye because he's a board member. What can be done about this?

If the membership does not like the activity then they have the option at the next annual meeting to REPLACE this BOD Member. Keep in mind your HOA is governed by the Members. The members via their BOD get to choose what they elect to have or change via the CCR's and what they allow the BOD to get away with in regards to violating. Personally the BOD should be setting the example ...
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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...OR...

ANY member has the right of redress through the courts to petition for an injunction in the event of a COVENANT (a/k/a contract) violation.

...BUT...

That would require WORK on the member's part.

OP: A fellow contractee has violated the Covenant. What do YOU think the proper redress is?

Sincerely yours,

the local PITA
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By PitA on 05/02/2017 2:04 PM
...OR...

ANY member has the right of redress through the courts to petition for an injunction in the event of a COVENANT (a/k/a contract) violation.

...BUT...

That would require WORK on the member's part.

OP: A fellow contractee has violated the Covenant. What do YOU think the proper redress is?

Sincerely yours,

the local PITA

That would not only require a lot of WORK, but also potentially a lot of MONEY. It is best to look at other alternatives first ... if those do not resolve, then if still not happy spend the money in court.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
D'OH

Y'a think ?

Or, as in the OP's case ..... not

I said 'the OP's case', not the OP
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
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@PITA: your comment presumes something about willingness to expend effort by the OP that is not in evidence. Is snarkiness and defensive, nit-picking parsing of words productive or a self-indulgent amusement?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
It is, most likely, a "..... self-indulgent amusement".

? Are we not having fun yet ?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
To return to the basics:

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Posted By n/a on 04/26/2017 5:49 PM
I'm in Texas. We have a Board Member that is constantly violating the deed restriction. The management company representative told me the board turns a blind eye because he's a board member. What can be done about this?

1. recall the BOD

2. reelect different directors

3. bring appropriate court action to force compliance with Covenant

4. move

OR

accept the situation 'as is' and enjoy life

ALL THE ABOVE HAS BEEN STATED AND RESTATED MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG

Why can I not iterate the SAME bluntly w/o all the candy coating ?

AND have fun while doing so !?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
? Are we not having fun yet ?


NO

We ARE having fun

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