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DonnaT5 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I'm a new member of this forum and hoping someone can advise me. I have a contract on a townhome which is in an HOA, managed by a realty company. I just learned that in order to have one's weekly trash picked up, you are required to keep the big can behind the townhome (which is reasonable). However, there is a solid perimeter of fence encasing a very small backyard and there is absolutely no outlet from this backyard. The neighbors told me they have to drag or roll their big trashcans to the curb for weekly pickup. I am 66 years old, a former registered nurse, and I see this practice as gross and disgusting.
I plan to put down some nice oriental rugs on the bare floor and hate to think of the dirt deposited on them as I roll the can from the curb back through my home. Does anyone else have this issue and does anyone agree with me? I did call the management company today and was advised that yes, indeed, this was their practice. Never in my life have I had to roll a big receptacle
through the interior of my own home. Could this be an issue for Health Dept.? The townhomes have been there since 1986.
Thank you.
GaryJ3 (Nevada)
Posts: 31
Posted:
Hate to be the bearer of bad news you are stuck with that terrible situation.Unless you can produce a doctor's note saying you can't lift or walk with more than 40 lbs because of an arthritic or some other physical condition.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
So how did the former owner do it? Is there another place to keep it as long as out of sight? Seems a bit odd that your facing this issue without the former owner letting you know. There is no fence door or ability to install a hinge?

Is there no garage to keep it in? The main issue is keeping the trash can from view once picked up. Is there another option besides back yard?

Former HOA President
DonnaT5 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you all. The former owner passed away last September and a company bought and flipped the townhome this year.
No, there is no garage or carport. I will have to park in my space in front of the townhome. I take care of my 2 grandchildren and anticipate the garbage load could get heavy.

Perhaps, there is nothing I can do, but I was just thinking if one was eating at a restaurant and the garbage came rolling through the kitchen and past the customers, how awful. In this townhome, I will be doing the same plus the cold, rainy conditions of weather here are sure to keep the can at the curb messy to go back through the house.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
The potential alternative would be if your HOA has space somewhere to set up large trash bins. The owners would then take their individual small bags to the large trash bin vs each owner having individual trash pick up.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Donna,

Is it not possible to put a gate in the fence?
DonnaT5 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Oh yes, I think it would be ideal if they had the large trash bins where individual bags of trash could be disposed of.
This is what I have now at my apartment. Unfortunately, space is tight over at the townhouses and backs up to another HOA of townhomes.

And yes, it would be nice if we could have a gate installed in that backyard fence. It's crossed my mind that if fire broke out in the front family room from fireplace, I wouldn't be able to escape from my backyard!

Otherwise, this unit is nice inside and it looks like I will need to make adjustments in order to live there. I'll probably end up driving small batches of trash to my daughter's house. Thank you all so much for listening.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Donna,

Sorry about your situation, but the solution/practice that the management company informed you of is almost too ridiculous to believe . . . dragging a trash can from the back yard, through the home, and out to the front to be collected???

The fence that you talk about . . . is the fence only around your back yard, or do all back yards have the same fence? I'm trying to understand if everyone in your association has to drag trash through their home or just you and others who have a fence.

If all yards don't have the fence, than it's possible that the fence was installed by a/the previous owner of your home and the situation was self-imposed (and perhaps tolerable to previous owners).

If the fence is yours and you are allowed to make modifications, it seems that the only solution is to modify the fence (e.g., install a gate) to allow you to get the trash can outside of your fence and around the townhomes to the front . . . assuming there is area behind your townhouse and beside the end units to do this.

Make sure to submit for review/approval of any architectural changes in accordance with the association's procedures.
RogerD5 (Nevada)
Posts: 7
Posted:
You can request a hearing with your state ombudsman and the board. Your situation is ridiculous. Any reasonable person would agree that having to transport waste through living areas is a hazard. If your state list no ombudsman...see if you can contact someone at your state legislative bureau. Have you contacted your property manager? Good luck
RogerD5 (Nevada)
Posts: 7
Posted:
You might cont the Georgia Secretary of States office also...

https://ecorp.sos.ga.gov/Home/UseFulLinks
RogerD5 (Nevada)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Also contact you local or state board of health....don't let them get away with such nonsense!
GaryJ3 (Nevada)
Posts: 31
Posted:
You need to get hold of an Elderly advocate center in your state as here.

https://aging.georgia.gov/elderly-legal-assistance-program

Call them for assistance,

Also call your local waste management company and ask for help.

You can call your local Dept of Health explain your situation see what avenues you have.

Call your property manager explain the situation see what they say.There should be a door for access in your fence /wall . Don't give up fight for a reasonable solution.

Good luck
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
Posted:
You wrote that you have a contract for the townhouse. Did you actually purchase it yet?

If not, and it sounds like this is a huge issue for you, (understandably so) I just wouldn't go through with the sale, citing this reason.
Much easier to avoid the problem altogether than try and fight it after you purchase.
DonnaT5 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
You folks are just wonderful, I mean it! I feel so much better about this since I've read your comments. This morning I heard back from the management company for the HOA. They said I would be allowed to place loose bags of trash on the curb provided all is in sturdy bags, etc. I will have to store them in a little storeroom which is off the deck.
The trash pickup is weekly. They also said I could have a gate in the fence in order to exit another way. (They own all the fences: I have noticed the "end" units can place cans at the side and rear.

Still, I personally feel as many of you do, that their overall policy about the garbage is totally unsanitary. I have researched the Health Dept here and also the city sanitation services. I'm not going to give up once I move there trying to resolve this issue. Maybe the HOA doesn't find this practice abhorrent, but I do. It's just not good enough for them to imply that everyone does it this way and always has. The assumption, I suppose, is that I am the only one to ever complain.
Don't believe it for a second. No owner should be traipsing filthy cans with dirty wheels through living areas.

Thank you very much b/c I value what you have learned over the years and what you so willingly share with others to help.
I really couldn't find anything to buy that was NOT in an HOA. This one just happened to present a very off-putting policy.
RogerD5 (Nevada)
Posts: 7
Posted:
You said " They also said I could have a gate in the fence in order to exit another way. (They own all the fences: I have noticed the "end" units can place cans at the side and rear.

If they own the fences and the area is in the common area. Request that they have a access gate installed. The reason you can state is for various safety issues,such as fire or waste pick up. It's their responsibility to pay for this. This would not be a unreasonable request given the circumstance.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Such helpful replies you've received, Donna.

I think RogerD is on to something and he cites you: "(They own all the fences..." But it sounds like the fences are common area, which means all owners own them "in common" and the HOA Board of directors makes decisions about them and maintains them.

So, as RogerD suggests, write to the board of directors via your property management company and request that the HOA Board vote to install a fence. You can't do that till you own it, though.

I'm curious about your HOA being managed by a ready company instead of an actual property management company. Is this because it's till new? And the realtors have an office on your premises?
DonnaT5 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Yes, KerryL, I intend to follow up with going through the channels to get this gate. At least now, I have some emails going back and forth between me and the management company. Truthfully, it's become such a "tight" sellers' market here that inventory is low and homes are being grabbed up fast and full prices are being paid. So I thought I was awfully lucky to find something that had been "flipped".. new paint, appliances, countertops, floors. Plus, it's not too far from my daughter's.
I feel I will be involved and not miss any HOA meetings b/c I do care about those issues that affect everyone. This trash issue and having an exit in case of fire appear to be basic issues.
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
> "Still, I personally feel as many of you do, that their overall policy about the garbage is totally unsanitary. I have researched the Health Dept here and also the city sanitation services. I'm not going to give up once I move there trying to resolve this issue."

But you have resolved the issue, right? You have two options, of taking the trash out in sturdy bags, and/or putting a gate in the back. What is still the issue?

What better solution do you have in mind?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Donna ... Please keep in mind it is not potentially the current HOA's fault. The original developer appears to not have considered the issue when the developer's plans were submitted to your local government. The Local Government should have thought to ask what could take place with regards to trash pickup and they potentially should have made the developer provide space for large trash containers due to circumstances. I just want to note that many times it is not the HOA's fault as they are sometimes stuck with past Developer or Local Government ignorance or stupidity beyond their control. I am glad to hear they are willing to make adjustments
JohnD56 (North Carolina)
Posts: 9
Posted:
We have a very similar rule - cans can't go out before 7pm for the next day pickup and must be removed to the rear of the unit by the morning of the day after pickup. I lived in the community a long time and the rule was enforced and people took them around to the back of the home (town homes) like they were suppose to. Over the past few years people have changed and have stopped doing it and the community looks horrible with garbage cans all around the fronts of units randomly everywhere which all can be seen. We don't have fences so there is no reason for someone not to follow the rules unless like someone else stated there is a medical reason. I personally would not want to drag a can through the house and would talk to them about gates to make it easier for everyone to follow the rule. I was really amazed at how such a small thing like a garbage can effected the look of the community and really wish the bod would enforce this rule again here. I know when I was vp of the bod we had one person with health issues and allowed her to have a small fenced area at her unit front to store her can because in this town the garbage will also be picked up from the front of your home if you have health issues without rolling it out to the curb.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 04/25/2017 6:48 PM
Donna,

Is it not possible to put a gate in the fence?


DonnaT5 (Georgia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Oh yes, JohnD, amazing how a seemingly small issue such as cans out can affect the community's appearance and also pose health and sanitation concerns. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place lately with having unreasonably high rent increases imposed by my apartment complex and knowing it would be cheaper in the long haul to just go ahead and take out enough of my savings for a down payment and then saving a few hundred dollars each month. I really didn't want to live in an HOA again since before I rented my apt., I owned a home in TN and the experience we had there was not so pleasant. But, in my current area, seems as if every type home is now in an HOA. So, I felt almost lucky to find this condo/townhome with a price I could afford. I'll be one of those who will try to abide by the rules. I know now they'll work with me on the trash issue and my son-in-law says he'll come over to help get it out. I've driven through the community many times now and it appears the residents are generally compliant with getting emptied cans back out of sight. That's assuring and I'm sure there'll be other issues and questions come up after I move in. Going into this with a fair amount trepidation but going to be hopeful and offer up a few prayers.

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