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AndrewM7 (Nevada)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We live in California where we have AB 349 that is supposed to nullify any architectural guideline or HOA governance that prohibits the use or artifical turf. As such, HOAs can no longer ban artificial turf for those that want water saving landscape.

Our HOA has developed a stringent set of guidelines that I feel effectively prohibit the use or artifical turf by creating hurdles and design limitations that you would not have if you had grass turf. I get making provisions on turf colors, look, and feel as we don't want cheap looking carpet lawns in or community. However, what I think is excessive is the Architectural committee has imposed a minimum planter width surrounding any proposed turf at 3 ft from side property boundaries and the sidewalk and a limit of 50% of the landscape allowed to be artificial as opposed to living.

We have have small lots with alley garages so a homeowners primary yard is usually out front. A 3 ft planter requirement especially on the side boundaries greatly limits your design and ability to have a lawn area if going with artifical turf. Now if one were to plant living grass there would be no 3 ft planter rule or 50% rule.

Is this not either:
1) discrimination against homeowners who wish to use artificial turf by imposing a separate set of design limitations?
2) guidelines that have the effect of prohibiting artificial turf implementation
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
You might want to review Civil Code ยง4735, Low Water-Using Plants and Artificial Turf.

That being said, Boards or ARC can set guidelines. Whether they are fair and reasonable would be left to interpretation, until they are challenged.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Here is a link to what Richard referenced: http://www.davis-stirling.com/Main-Index/Statutes/Civil-Code-4735

I for one would not recommend or have for my HOA separate requirements for artificial turf. That could possibly be seen as putting an undue burden and condition on those owners. Real or artificial should be equal requirements.
AndrewM7 (Nevada)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks I've reviewed both 4735 and the 349 amendment protecting artifical turf. It still leaves some interpretation and implementation wiggle room for HOAs.

We personally want to install artificial turf for both the low maintenance and long term water savings so are clearly biased in our view of the matter. I agree that HOAs should set a standard to ensure the real likeness of the product.

However setting a separate set of guidelines bothers me. I think it opens a door for the HOA to be sued for discrimination against the turf homeowners. I understand that our board members are typically protected as long as they are acting in good faith for the HOA. Would raising this issue to the board put them liable for ignoring this homeowners concern? Would getting it on record in our board meeting minutes make them more compelled to review this guideline?
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
Andrew: Has the board denied you or made a provisional counteroffer in writing? Have you responded yet in writing? If so, I would respond to the ACR with a certified copy to the Board requesting reconsideration of the ARC decision. This letter would then be part of the Official Record and acknowledged in the minutes.

If there is no reconsideration forthcoming, I would send a documented certified letter to the board outlining the situation so that they can reconsider the future possible legal implications of ex post facto rule and selective, discriminatory behavior. They would most likely not be prevailing if arguing that their ARC standard was reasonable.

This is not the first HOA battle with homeowners wanting to install artificial turf, vegetable gardens, rock gardens or drought-tolerant planting. Water-thirsty grass and high pollutant fertilizers and such are not environmentally responsible. Believe it or not, during the severe drought in California, some HOA's insisted homeowners run the sprinklers to keep the grass green! In my city, that would have been a $500 fine! The law is on your side. Good luck.
AndrewM7 (Nevada)
Posts: 3
Posted:
GwenG: at this time, they have not denied my application based on artificial turf. They lost my turf sample so that is what's holding it up. However, they have been denying each application with new concerns at each review. It's like they find one concern they take issue with then stop the whole process. You have to correct that concern before they review anything else. . Entirely frustrating!

I anticipate my next denial will be based on their more stringent artificial turf design rules. I'm trying to decide between bringing up the issue preemptively or only after I get my next denial.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Correct me If I am wrong Andrew, but didn't California embrace drought tolerant legislation that promotes zeroscape landscaping?
We have been doing this in Southern Nevada for over 15 years, and out HOA's encourage it.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
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Posted By AndrewM7 on 04/24/2017 8:17 AM
Thanks I've reviewed both 4735 and the 349 amendment protecting artifical turf. It still leaves some interpretation and implementation wiggle room for HOAs.

We personally want to install artificial turf for both the low maintenance and long term water savings so are clearly biased in our view of the matter. I agree that HOAs should set a standard to ensure the real likeness of the product.

However setting a separate set of guidelines bothers me. I think it opens a door for the HOA to be sued for discrimination against the turf homeowners. I understand that our board members are typically protected as long as they are acting in good faith for the HOA. Would raising this issue to the board put them liable for ignoring this homeowners concern? Would getting it on record in our board meeting minutes make them more compelled to review this guideline?

As I stated a separate set of guidelines bothers me also ... I personally contend should be equal. However, as you stated and I would agree the HOA has the right to potentially determine which type of artificial turf(s) can be utilized. Artificial grass has come a long way and some you really cannot tell the difference. LOL ... except in areas that have snow such as CO when your grass is green year round.

I would contend it is good for everyone to be open and honest in their concerns with regards to any HOA. If this is a concern of yours you should be open and honest and voice your concern. In turn it is the HOA's responsibility to address the concern in the manner they determine and which also hopefully will be just as open and honest. It is best to head off a potential problem at the pass vs having a mole hill turn into a mountain.

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