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JcP1 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Hello. I hope somebody can help us as we have a hot mess on our hands.

We own an investment property in a community in Miami, Florida. Other than an issue with roofs after a hurricane 10 years ago it's been a great investment. I will admit to never attending board meetings or even voting. Last November a fellow owner told us something was going on in the community that we should know about. Excuse our long explanation with details but here's the sequence of events:

Without warning, approval or communication the President removed the CAM in November of 2016 who had been running the property for over 10 years. He removed their bank access and hired some fly by night company with no experience.

When we asked around owners who live there said the president was spending money left and right without any kind of discretion or approval.

The new CAM was a terrible mess and somehow failed to communicate or transition well resulting in over 80k of maintenance checks now being due. We made repeated attempts to call but they would never answer so we visited their offices and were told that the community was now without funds.

The prior CAM sent a 5 page email to owners stating that the accounts were turned over with 190k prompting alarm and rumors.

We forwarded the email to the new CAM and demanded to see the last 5 months of financials. 15 days with no response we filed a complaint with the DBPR. It took the CAM 45 days to make those available. What we found was terrible. The new CAM was not depositing maintenance checks and pulling from Reserves. The statement from the old CAM that we had 190k in funds was not exactly true. There was 190k in funds, but we had a 160k loan but with an assessment reserve account with only 17k left.

A small group mobilized and filed over 10 DBPR complaints and started a Recall campaign to remove our board in attempts of removing the new management company and performing a full audit and possible criminal investigation. But Yearly elections were only a month away so the recall effort was put on hold.

6 owners in our group submitted candidacy and were accepted. However when ballots showed up none were on there . When confronted the CAM stated they were disqualified because they were delinquent in payments in the last 90 days. Suspiciously, the current board was fine.

The week before elections the DBPR responded saying they were investigating our elections. A group of 10 owners hired a lawyer and we managed to convince the CAM to postpone the elections. In place of elections the yearly meeting was held to discuss community concerns. In that meeting the CAM brought in a CPA who presented their own audit stated that in 2015 the community took out a loan for $280k that would be paid by assessments covering that same amount, but that the prior CAM wrote checks for in excess of $700k basically using the loan, our assessment funds and almost all our reserves. Our president claimed he was only signing checks and had no idea we were over budget.

In the meeting the CAM stated that their would likely be another assessment to cover the loan and help rebuild reserves. They also stated 80k in back dues would be sent to collections. There are rumors water and trash pickup payments are now past due. Additionally angry owners in the meeting complained that the CAM would never respond and about many new problems in the community now.

Hearing about the meeting the prior CAM sent another long email accusing our President of being responsible for the over spending stating he selected all contractors, negotiated all deals and signed all contracts and checks. He showed examples of jobs that would previous cost the community $5k recently costing $20k. The President is yet to respond to those allegations. Own new CAM and under pressure President agreed to pay for an independent audit.

Our new CAM still owes us access to two years of financials and contractor contracts.

Elections are scheduled for 2 months now.

DBPR will soon be contacting us about our CAM's failure to make information available to us in the legally required time frame.

As mentioned previously , we are in Miami, Florida. What legal options are available to us? Anything criminal or legal we can? Can we tap into any HOA insurance or get help if we think there is fraud? We don't have enough support yet to pay for a lawyer. The DBPR seems slow and limited.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Jc,

Sorry to hear about your issues.

Keep in mind that most HOA laws and governing document violations are handled in civil court.

As for legal options (civil) speak to a local attorney.
However, it appears the DBPR is on your side and this may save money on your part.

Regarding criminal issues, you would need to contact the local district attorney.
My guess is that they won't do anything until there is proof, which you won't get until you have a good audit done.

Remember that if you do take any legal action you will have to pay your legal bills along with your share of the Associations legal bills. This is why it's typically best if to utilize other avenues if they can provide you with the results you are looking for.

Another thing to remember is it's not the President's fault.
It is the Boards fault (everyone on that board).
If the President acted without board approval, they failed to remove him from office (although he would still be a director).
The Board approved the change in MC.
The Board approved the contracts.
Your issue is with the Board.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I don’t think you can wait two months – if everything you said is true, this board (all of them) need to go as soon as possible. It’s great you’re getting help from the DBPR, but while they’re working on what this bunch did or not, you still need a competent board to make decisions on behalf of the community. This board isn’t that – they, like everyone else in the community, stood there and did nothing while the president did whatever he wanted. When they’re gone, the new board will need to consider if they need to take legal action against them, while they’re getting a handle on the money.

Have you read your documents to see if it addresses board recalls or how special homeowner meetings are called? You’ll probably need a certain number or percentage of homeowners to sign a petition to call a meeting – whatever it is, get your group together and start walking around the community.

By the way, you don’t need to get approval from the property manager to hold any meetings or elections– they work for the association, not the other way around. As long as you follow your documents, the board should call the special homeowners meeting and if they don’t hold it anyway. Be sure to keep the DBPR representative updated on your efforts because you don’t want to interfere with what they’re doing
There may been six people in your group who were ineligible to vote (the documents typically suspend voting rights of delinquent homeowners), but depending on the size of your community, that may not matter if everyone else participates. If those homeowners want to have a say in who gets elected to the board, tell them to pay up (they have that legal obligation regardless).

Brace yourself for fee increases (big ones) and special assessments (hopefully no more than one, but you may need a few) to get the money issues straightened out. You do need to pursue the $80K in delinquencies, so a review of your collection policies is probably in order – look at those with the association attorney to see what your best options are (yes, you may have to foreclose on a few).

You will need to ditch this property manager, so you’ll want to start by looking at their contract to see what they’re supposed to do vs. what they did, because it will probably be necessary to take legal action against them (if DBPR does that for you, hooray – especially if you get a settlement). The new board should check the Community Association Institute website and order some of their education materials on how to select a property manager. There are other materials covering a variety of HOA issues and best practices such as rules enforcement, selecting contractor and reserve studies (if yours is underfunded, you’ll probably need one so you can prepare the budget accordingly)..

I wish you and your community luck – things may get worse before they get better, but if this is what’s necessary for you to turn things around, get in, sit down and buckle up. Here’s the lesson you and your fellow homeowners are learning the hard way, so you’d better pay attention - when you live in a HOA, you CANNOT just pay your fees and go on about your business. This tends to be a bad habit among owner occupants and investor owners, so regardless of what the others do, I suggest you start attending meetings once in a while and make a point to get to ALL of the annual meetings so you’ll get to know the board and they will know you. In fact, you may want to consider running for the board yourself – it may mean a little more work for you, but you’re a homeowner and no one will care about your home more than you.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JcP1 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
An attempt was made at a recall. I think we fell short by 10 forms, but then elections were only a month away so we opted for that. But then election fraud got in the way. Part of the challenge that owner interest and participation is very low and many of the owners don't even live in the US. It might take an assessment to wake them up. I see no reason why we can't still get the 10 signatures we need to proceed, even if according to our CAM the alternate on the forms was technically not eligible.

It's actually worse that I am reporting. The board is 3 people and one of them has written letters of protest and is left out of meetings and communications. That board member also recently transferred ownership of their unit to their wife which I think is also suspicious.

I admit 60 days is a very long time in the world of HOA fraud it's probably not that long. I also am bracing for another assessment, I think that is inevitable. I just worry we are funding more fleecing.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
If you're a condo association FS 718.5012 says, in part, "Fifteen percent of the total voting interests in a condominium association, or six unit owners, whichever is greater, may petition the ombudsman to appoint an election monitor to attend the annual meeting of the unit owners and conduct the election of directors."

Are you a condo association? How many unit owners in all? You should petition for an election monitor. If your next elections are 2 months away the DBPR is probably not going to concern itself with complaints about previous elections.

What do you mean the recall fell short by "10 forms"? Do you mean votes?

Have people submitted their names to appear on the ballot at the upcoming election? Are they all paid up?

Keep records of everything that happens with regard to the election. Unfortunately, it's hard to keep an eye on all that long-distance and organize your fellow owners to take action, but there you are. Good luck. It's almost certain that you won't get the local authorities to press criminal charges.

JcP1 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
We are a condo association in Miami Florida. We have 250 units. Somebody else managed the Recall process and said it required each unit to fill out a form and we were under the impression we needed more than 50% of the owners to sign which has been impossible. We have a private forum where we are keeping track of every issue, complaint and document. Over 10 DBPR complaints have been filed.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
JCPI

A recall is all well and good but as you have less than 60 days to Annual Meeting and BOD Elections, your best chance at gaining control is to concentrate on winning seats on the BOD. Assuming 1 of the present 3 is good and willing to rerun then you only need to capture 1 the remaining 2 spots. Worst case you need to capture 2 of 3 spots.

Recalls get nasty even when enough votes are there to do so, especially when someone hires an attorney to contest the recall. Put your efforts into winning seats on the BOD, not a recall.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Under the impression you needed over 50% of homeowners? Did anyone read your documents to see what's required? If not, grab them and start looking so you'll know exactly what's necessary - too much at stake for you to guess or pray the ombudsman and/or DBPR will do everything for you.

You may have a lot of off-site homeowners, but you'll need their help to get rid of this board. Your group should consider sending everyone a letter summarizing what's been going on and how much it'll cost them if everyone doesn't find a way to participate (the thought of losing money or paying out of the yingyang can be a wonderful motivator). That letter should also go to the board members because they’re still homeowners – maybe they need to see in black and white how much damage they’ve caused. Unfortunately, apathy is typical of too many condo and HOAs – when people don’t pay attention, crazy shit happens and it ends up costing everyone a lot of time and money.

(Personally, I have my biases against investor-owners because too many of them only care about money and not the overall operation of the community, but that's an issue for another day. I'm not saying that's you - you admitted you hadn't paid a lot of attention until now, so I hope you "stay woke" and do what you can)

Meanwhile, your group including you) should sign the letter and perhaps save some of the more pertinent documents as PDFs so they can be emailed to people who want more information. The group may have to pay printing and postage, so everyone needs to decide right now how far they’re willing to go to straighten out this mess once and for all.

If this board wants to counter your complaints, let them – it’ll make for an interesting election and special homeowners meeting (for which you should consider some sort of moderator and perhaps security to keep order, depending on how heated things get)

You should definitely take up Geno’s suggestion that you get the ombudsman to run the recall – if there was election fraud, perhaps the ballots can be sent elsewhere and then all of them opened up at the meeting. Keep the property manager out of this – it appears they’ve caused enough trouble as it is and if forms are an issue, the ombudsman and association may be able to help draft ones that’ll stick.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JcP1 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks! I'm a technology person and have documented everything I can in a forum. We have a way to SMS and email blast almost all owners and I'm working on way to allow them to easily e-sign and email or SMS the RECALL. The way the original recall signatures were collected was door to door and by phone and that apparently was not enough. We have unique challenges here... Tech savvy this community is not.

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