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EdwinT (California)
Posts: 2
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One of the units in our 5 units apartment complex sustained water damage due to sewage backup. The owners HO6 policy denied her, however, our apartment complexes master policy covered it. They will be sending our HOA a check soon to cover the damages. The HOA was hoping not to be involved in this, however, since the check is being paid to the HOA, we automatically are.

My goal as an HOA board member is to insure that the money gets spent on fixing the damages while avoiding legal or tax liability, I also want to avoid getting involved with hiring contractors and managing the repair project since the damage is inside a unit and not the common areas.

My plan is to stipulate that the owner hire a licensed contractor, provide invoices for all work performed, that not checks will be paid to owner, only to contactors, that the pay out limit is limited to what the insurance paid the HOA, that not funds will be paid out if claimed damaged area is not repaired, I will also take before and after pictures. Anything else anyone can think of?

I would greatly appreciate any suggestion that would help me in this matter.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I say just give them the check and let them handle it all. No one needs to dictate what they do with it. The money they got was what the insurance determined they need to cover their damages. No more or no less. That's all folks. Have them sign they got the money and will make no more claims or request more. What they do after that to fix their damages is on them.

Former HOA President
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/01/2017 3:55 AM
I say just give them the check and let them handle it all. No one needs to dictate what they do with it. The money they got was what the insurance determined they need to cover their damages. No more or no less. That's all folks. Have them sign they got the money and will make no more claims or request more. What they do after that to fix their damages is on them.

PERFECT

unless

Some damage is structural, eg. sewage permeated subfloor, rotted/molding baseboard
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
I disagree. In a condominium, the board should make sure the property is being repaired. The association is the trustee to the insurance proceeds and must administer them properly. Fiduciary duty and all that.

Granted, this is probably not a lot of damage, so the association could give the money to the unit owner, but in large damage cases (think fires), the owner might take the money and abandon the condo unit, and then the association loses a unit and the income from a unit. Or the owner takes the money and lets the unit exist in a run-down condition.

Edwin generally has the right idea.

The board also needs to be absolutely certain that there is no common element damage. You need to know the exact boundaries of the unit and the common elements (from the descriptions in the governing documents), and do your own inspection. You may find that what you think is β€œinside” of the unit turns out to be a common element (sub)floor or wall or sheetrock that is a common element.
EdwinT (California)
Posts: 2
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/01/2017 3:55 AM
I say just give them the check and let them handle it all. No one needs to dictate what they do with it. The money they got was what the insurance determined they need to cover their damages. No more or no less. That's all folks. Have them sign they got the money and will make no more claims or request more. What they do after that to fix their damages is on them.

Melissa, I wish it could be that simple. I just don't want to leave any room for things to go wrong. I have a feeling that the owner could have caused the damage on purpose, her toilet just randomly cracked and leaked water. A day before the incident, both me and the unit next to her heard loud thumping noises, so I don't fully trust that she will use the money to the benefit of the unit. If she sells the unit which she has said she wants to do soon, the next owner can potentially hold us liable if the repairs aren't done properly. Also, since our HOA is a non-profit, I don't know how the IRS will asses us when a 30K check came into the HOA then was paid to a person who didn't provide any service. Thanks for your input.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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The insurance paid out what it assessed the damage to be to cost to repair it. It's not like they handed you a $10K check and said "spend it as you like". Insurance companies pay typically the cost of the damage. Now if there are changes then you have to file to make ammendments.

This should have been a situation where your HOA insurance company and the owner's should have battled this out. The HOA insurance taking on the responsibility should have limits on what that money applies to. Which would not concerning itself with the "Chatskies" but with structural damages. Your HOA should earmark the money for what is considers it's part. Your not going to pay for "upgrades". Like they have cheap carpet but now want wood flooring... Now that is where you get into the "nickel and diming" extra expenses.

That is why I say give them the money but sign a form stating this money is to be used for xxx repairs. All other upgrades or personal property is not covered.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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5 years ago my former boss, also an attorney, took on an association with a "shady" Board. The Board president had a water heater burst in their unit and filed a claim against the association's insurance. Based on previous experience with this complex, this was NOT a covered item. The Board president didn't have HO-6 insurance.

The association's insurance company paid out $105K for damages, WELL over what they should. Turns out they doesn't do the repairs that the insurance paid for. We believe they pocketed over $70K of association monies in this scam. My boss pushed for the settlement and I dropped the account because of what I later learned. Two other units had filed similar claims and the Board denied the claims and never allowed the insurance to get involved.

This is the association's money form the association's policy, NOT the homeowner's. The homeowner can provide LEGITIMATE invoices for LEGITIMATE work and the association can pay those invoices, NO UPGRADES! Any funds left over are returned to the insurance company.

The association's policy was not renewed the following year and their new policy increased by 70%.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By EdwinT on 04/01/2017 2:28 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/01/2017 3:55 AM
I say just give them the check and let them handle it all. No one needs to dictate what they do with it. The money they got was what the insurance determined they need to cover their damages. No more or no less. That's all folks. Have them sign they got the money and will make no more claims or request more. What they do after that to fix their damages is on them.


Melissa, I wish it could be that simple. I just don't want to leave any room for things to go wrong. I have a feeling that the owner could have caused the damage on purpose, her toilet just randomly cracked and leaked water. A day before the incident, both me and the unit next to her heard loud thumping noises, so I don't fully trust that she will use the money to the benefit of the unit. If she sells the unit which she has said she wants to do soon, the next owner can potentially hold us liable if the repairs aren't done properly. Also, since our HOA is a non-profit, I don't know how the IRS will asses us when a 30K check came into the HOA then was paid to a person who didn't provide any service. Thanks for your input.

There is no income tax implication.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Our HOA Covenants require that each unit (home) carry an "all risk" policy and that the HOA be named co-payee. This is to be ensure one does not run away with any settlement and that they replace/repair their unit to BOD's satisfaction.

Our Covenants also say if one does not carry said insurance, the HOA can obtain such a policy on the unit and bill the unit owner.

Every so often a buyer will say their insurance agent say this is illegal/improper. At that point we have our attorney send a make a call or send a letter explaining whatever. In each case it got done.

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