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JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
We have a board member (out of 3) that is not only doing their best to obstruct significant projects but outright lying to membership. Sadly our other two board members are afraid to call her out. My current mission is to get enough votes to replace her spot on the board. In any event I have inside information and know for a fact emails exist between the board members and our management company which totally expose the lies which beg the question:

If I send a formal request (certified return receipt mail) to the management company requesting emails related to our major project are they required to produce them for me?

Our management company is very professional and they too understand the situation. I am on very good terms with them as well as the other two board members. I want to make it look like I'm forcing the issue.... you know... politics. I can then use meeting minutes and the documentation to conclusively prove the other board members is outright lying and evading questions. When they say things like "things changed" and "no comment" and open board meetings that's not a good thing. SMH.
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By JaredC on 03/30/2017 6:49 AM
We have a board member (out of 3) that is not only doing their best to obstruct significant projects but outright lying to membership. Sadly our other two board members are afraid to call her out. My current mission is to get enough votes to replace her spot on the board. In any event I have inside information and know for a fact emails exist between the board members and our management company which totally expose the lies which beg the question:

If I send a formal request (certified return receipt mail) to the management company requesting emails related to our major project are they required to produce them for me?

Our management company is very professional and they too understand the situation. I am on very good terms with them as well as the other two board members. I want to make it look like I'm forcing the issue.... you know... politics. I can then use meeting minutes and the documentation to conclusively prove the other board members is outright lying and evading questions. When they say things like "things changed" and "no comment" and open board meetings that's not a good thing. SMH.

Section 209.005m of the Texas Property Code specifies the records retention requirements for HOA's in Texas as follows:

(m) A property owners' association composed of more than 14 lots shall adopt and comply with a document retention policy that includes, at a minimum, the following requirements:

(1) certificates of formation, bylaws, restrictive covenants, and all amendments to the certificates of formation, bylaws, and covenants shall be retained permanently;

(2) financial books and records shall be retained for seven years;

(3) account records of current owners shall be retained for five years;

(4) contracts with a term of one year or more shall be retained for four years after the expiration of the contract term;

(5) minutes of meetings of the owners and the board shall be retained for seven years; and

(6) tax returns and audit records shall be retained for seven years.

So while HOA's are not required to maintain email records under the code, such emails are still subject to disclosure under the Texas Public Information Act for some HOA's in Texas as described in Section 552.0036 of the Act. The act specifies that Home Owner Associations are subject to disclose emails are those located in a county having a population of more than 2.8 million or an adjacent county - currently that would be Harris County and the surrounding counties of Brazoria, Fort Bend, Montgomery, Waller,Liberty, Chambers, and Galveston. If your HOA is not in one of those counties you cannot invoke the Public Information Act to get the email records.

That's not to say that you can give it a try
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
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Thank you Nigel. I do reside in Harris County which is apparently a good thing. :-)
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By JaredC on 03/30/2017 9:22 AM
Thank you Nigel. I do reside in Harris County which is apparently a good thing. :-)

In that case if the email is subject to the provisions of the Texas Public Information Act and is fully disclosable

Section 552.002
(a-1) Information is in connection with the transaction of official business if the information is created by, transmitted to, received by, or maintained by an officer or employee of the governmental body in the officer's or employee's official capacity, or a person or entity performing official business or a governmental function on behalf of a governmental body, and pertains to official business of the governmental body.

(a-2) The definition of "public information" provided by Subsection (a) applies to and includes any electronic communication created, transmitted, received, or maintained on any device if the communication is in connection with the transaction of official business

Good luck - I live in Brazoria County
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Nigel, the Texas Public Information Act applies to "governmental bodies." If one reads the definition of "governmental body" at http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/GV/htm/GV.552.htm , I think one will conclude that the Act does not cover HOAs. This is common nationwide. "Sunshine laws" such as this Texas statute tend not to apply to HOAs.

I have made HOA records requests of difficult, incompetent boards. I think I went through the case law pretty thoroughly on what records I was and was not allowed to have and what I could publicize. One new thing I learned was that emails between board members may very well be privileged. A leading case on this is http://caselaw.findlaw.com/de-court-of-chancery/1438736.html . This case pertains to a for-profit corporation but I believe the principles are the same. While it's possible the law might support a HOA member in obtaining emails, the law may very well say that the emails may not be publicly disclosed. The HOA would be in its rights to have the member sign a non-disclosure agreement.

Maybe more importantly, it seems to me that emails are a source for "he said-she said" disputes, silly "gotcha,s" splitting hairs over intentions and what the 'real meaning' of a person is, and other much ado, even if there truly is lawbreaking going on. I try to stick with the official Minutes and votes recorded in same; financial records; and the law to make my case with a Board or when on a Board.
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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The Public Information Act specifically states that certain HOA's are subject to the Public Information Act:

Sec. 552.0036. CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS SUBJECT TO LAW. A property owners' association is subject to this chapter in the same manner as a governmental body.

Section 552.0036 goes on to describe those Property Owners Associations which are subject to the act - namely property associations located in a county having a population of 2.8 million of more, or any adjacent county to one having such a population. This would cover Harris County and the surrounding 7 counties.

The original poster lives in Harris County and the Property owners Association is in fact subject to the Public Information Act under 552.0036
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Nigel, pardon my mistake. You're right. Here is the full section covering certain HOAs:

Sec. 552.0036. CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS SUBJECT TO LAW. A property owners' association is subject to this chapter in the same manner as a governmental body:
(1) if:
(A) membership in the property owners' association is mandatory for owners or for a defined class of owners of private real property in a defined geographic area in a county with a population of 2.8 million or more or in a county adjacent to a county with a population of 2.8 million or more;
(B) the property owners' association has the power to make mandatory special assessments for capital improvements or mandatory regular assessments; and
(C) the amount of the mandatory special or regular assessments is or has ever been based in whole or in part on the value at which the state or a local governmental body assesses the property for purposes of ad valorem taxation under Section 20, Article VIII, Texas Constitution; or
(2) if the property owners' association:
(A) provides maintenance, preservation, and architectural control of residential and commercial property within a defined geographic area in a county with a population of 2.8 million or more or in a county adjacent to a county with a population of 2.8 million or more; and
(B) is a corporation that:
(i) is governed by a board of trustees who may employ a general manager to execute the association's bylaws and administer the business of the corporation;
(ii) does not require membership in the corporation by the owners of the property within the defined area; and
(iii) was incorporated before January 1, 2006.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/02/2017 1:13 PM
Nigel, pardon my mistake. You're right. Here is the full section covering certain HOAs:

Oops. I think this all is still wrong. The statute to which Nigel refers covers POAs, not HOAs. In Texas, there appears to be a difference. Under Texas law, condos are generally HOAs and not POAs.

Is Jared's HOA a condo or something else?
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/02/2017 1:23 PM
Posted By AugustinD on 04/02/2017 1:13 PM
Nigel, pardon my mistake. You're right. Here is the full section covering certain HOAs:

Oops. I think this all is still wrong. The statute to which Nigel refers covers POAs, not HOAs. In Texas, there appears to be a difference. Under Texas law, condos are generally HOAs and not POAs.

Is Jared's HOA a condo or something else?

The Texas Residential Propery Owners Protection Act defines a Property Owners Association (POA) as follows:

Sec. 209.002. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(7) "Property owners' association" or "association" means an incorporated or unincorporated association that:

(A) is designated as the representative of the owners of property in a residential subdivision;

(B) has a membership primarily consisting of the owners of the property covered by the dedicatory instrument for the residential subdivision; and

(C) manages or regulates the residential subdivision for the benefit of the owners of property in the residential subdivision.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
I did get the information I was looking from from the management company and it's quite juicy but I have an additional question:

If a homeowner has an attorney send a formal letter to the HOA do I, as an HOA member, have the right to view all information related to that legal process? In this particular case it's over parking and not anything related financial information such as collection efforts. I'm looking at the Texas Public Information act Section 552.107 but not sure how to interpret it. IMHO the answer is Yes I should be able to see the info but I'm no lawyer...
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By JaredC on 04/25/2017 10:58 AM
I did get the information I was looking from from the management company and it's quite juicy but I have an additional question:

If a homeowner has an attorney send a formal letter to the HOA do I, as an HOA member, have the right to view all information related to that legal process? In this particular case it's over parking and not anything related financial information such as collection efforts. I'm looking at the Texas Public Information act Section 552.107 but not sure how to interpret it. IMHO the answer is Yes I should be able to see the info but I'm no lawyer...

Probably not - Section 209-005 of the Texas Property Code:

(k) Except as provided by Subsection (l) and to the extent the information is provided in the meeting minutes, the property owners' association is not required to release or allow inspection of any books or records that identify the dedicatory instrument violation history of an individual owner of an association, an owner's personal financial information, including records of payment or nonpayment of amounts due the association, an owner's contact information, other than the owner's address, or information related to an employee of the association, including personnel files. Information may be released in an aggregate or summary manner that would not identify an individual property owner.

(l) The books and records described by Subsection (k) shall be released or made available for inspection if:

(1) the express written approval of the owner whose records are the subject of the request for inspection is provided to the property owners' association; or

(2) a court orders the release of the books and records or orders that the books and records be made available for inspection.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Don’t worry about forcing the issue – nothing the board does should ever be a surprise to anyone and if this board member is lying to everyone and obstructing projects, she gets what she deserves. By the way, how does one person get away with that, when there are two board members who can easily outvote her? It seems to me THEY are just as responsible for this as she is and if they don’t have the guts to stand up to her, you and your fellow homeowners may need to consider if all of them need to be forced to step down or be put out via recall.

Getting copies of the emails would be nice, but I hope you’re also thinking about going to your fellow homeowners and perhaps calling for a special meeting to discuss this board member’s behavior – and recall her, if appropriate. Written information is great, but that plus personal testimony is even better – would the person who gave you the “inside information” be willing to stand up and say something in front of her and everyone else? Do you have someone waiting in the wings that will be willing to replace this board member if you succeed in getting her out (and yes, you may need to be that person?)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By JaredC on 03/30/2017 6:49 AM
We have a board member (out of 3) that is not only doing their best to obstruct significant projects but outright lying to membership. Sadly our other two board members are afraid to call her out. My current mission is to get enough votes to replace her spot on the board. In any event I have inside information and know for a fact emails exist between the board members and our management company which totally expose the lies which beg the question:

If I send a formal request (certified return receipt mail) to the management company requesting emails related to our major project are they required to produce them for me?

Our management company is very professional and they too understand the situation. I am on very good terms with them as well as the other two board members. I want to make it look like I'm forcing the issue.... you know... politics. I can then use meeting minutes and the documentation to conclusively prove the other board members is outright lying and evading questions. When they say things like "things changed" and "no comment" and open board meetings that's not a good thing. SMH.

Have a friend in an HOA who is BOD member with similar situation. This last week with info from Management Company the other BOD member was called out and exposed with proof to backup many, many statements made were lies. The BOD member after called out resigned. Made their HOA's day!!!

If you are on the BOD the management company should provide you information you request. Before sending "Certified Return Receipt" request I would first just simply ask via a polite telephone call. When you get into signing for letters it is a red flag to some entities and they might dig in and not release as easily due to engaging CYA efforts.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
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Yeah, in a couple of weeks I'm going to work to get the votes necessary to call and special meeting and remove her. Right now we're in the middle of a major electrical project that affects all homeowners so I want everyone focused on the swift completion of that before I go after her... but in two weeks the gloves come off. I have a great relationship with the other board members and management company and everyone is waiting to get rid of her.

As far as records are concerned there is precious little that is confidential. I live in Harris County, Texas which means most everything is subject to the Texas Public Information Act Chapter 552. There is some more info in the Texas Property Code 209.005 as Nigel mentioned and even our HOA Document Production Policy. The quirk here is that I want info on a legal matter and that is a bit different than other records I have asked for. The reason I know a homeowner is starting a legal procedure is because I was asked to produce all the evidence needed to refute their claim (up until recently I was the President, voluntarily resigned, so I have knowledge of everything over the last decade :-) ).

Anyway, as I look more into it the HOA seems to have the right NOT to disclose the information based on the Texas Rules Of Evidence 503(b) but the keyword in the law is "confidential". What constitutes confidential information?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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If you want paperwork related to a legal matter between the Association and an individual homeowner, you probably won't have access to that information, as it's considered attorney-client privileged (and you're no longer on the board, so you don't have access anyway). There are other items that may qualify as confidential, such as account information of other homeowners - since this concerns HOA documents you need to see if there's HOA state law (I believe there is) and then review this with a private attorney

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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My initial blush is that only the BOD has the right to see legal information ala attorney-client privilege.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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The confidential information will be anything not already discussed or filed with the Court. Usually most court records are public domain; therefore, anyone can follow along a court case through its various phases via your local court records. The HOA Board and HOA Attorney will not usually be willing to share information, unless their State Laws dictate otherwise.

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