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ARC committee approved garage project as submitted and now hoa is threatening to ricin's decision after project is complete.

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JoshR2 (Washington)
Posts: 3
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This is a long story but I will keep it short. I live in a hoa we're my lot is considerably bigger than all others "1/4 acre ". Shortly after the Newyear I started consulting with the ARC committee on building a garage in my back yard. I was initially going to build a wood building but braught up a metal building to the ARC committe which was listed as prohibited in the Architectural guidelines. The response from the ARC committee was that building materials and practice had changed a lot since 1994 and they would review it and let me know if there were any questions. There was a process that I had to follow which included having my neighbors sign off giving them 7 days to comment or contest. After jumping through all the hoops I presented the ARC with a informative plan that showed a rendering, materials ,size,placement etc and included signatures. After 3 weeks went by my application was approved in writing and over a saved voicemail. I obtained all the proper permits and engineering and proceeded with the project completing it over the next 2 months. 3 days after completing the project one of the very neighbors that signed off on the project and did not contest it is now complaining. The hoa board of directors is now preparing to take a vote on wether I need to have the building removed because they feel the ARC made a mistake approving it. Keep in mind the president of the hoa sits on the ARC committee. Do they have the authority to go back on their approval letter and make me remove a building that they approved? Keep in mind I am $20,000 out of pocket into this completed project.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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I would potentially contend not unless they have deep pockets to cover your expenses. If you have HOA approvals in writing and especially with neighbor approvals on top of that ... anyone challenging in a court would most likely loose and hopefully under your state laws have to pay your attorney fees if it came down to a court battle. Hopefully they will not be stupid enough to make that choice.
CjS (Maryland)
Posts: 21
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We had that exact same thing happen in our development. Something was approved and shortly thereafter a neighbor complained that it should not have been approved. After a few months, it was decided that the HOA would pay to remove it and reimburse the homeowner for the expenses of his construction. It was a hotly contested few months with record turnout at the meetings.
JoshR2 (Washington)
Posts: 3
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My hopes are that they do not try to take any action against what they already have approved and I have now completed based on their written approval. I am however prepared to defend myself in this matter. The Hoa however is advising me that I will have not have the ability to defend myself against any decision that the board of directors comes up with because of legal amenity. I can't imagine a court of law that would allow them to take legal action against me where I followed their direction and approval and me not be able to present the facts.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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They may be referring to your ability to hold any individual board member or all of them responsible individually (not the association), because they were acting as the association’s board of directors (who oversee the running of the association). Even so, that doesn’t stop you from filing a lawsuit against the association because it is trying to renege on its approval of your garage.

I suspect someone’s blowing smoke up your behind or trying to. As Janet said, you have an excellent chance of winning because you did everything you were asked to do, everyone had plenty of time to ask questions and object before the approval was made. I'm sure other homeowners would be plenty angry at the board's action and all of them (or whoever's spearheading all this - I suspect your president) would be tossed at the next election or perhaps sooner via a recall.

It may be worth your while to sit down with your attorney and have him or her send them a nastygram on the matter – that may be enough to shut them up. If not, wait and see what they do – personally, I'd suggest alternative dispute resolution, which may be faster and a lot cheaper (and if everything is as you say, you'll still win). If the board does threaten a lawsuit, tell them to bring it on, gather together your information and we’ll see how that story ends. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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If I understand correctly, your ARC committee reviews and approves architectural requests (the Board is not involved)? I assume your HOA documents indicate this is the case. I only point it out because while we have an ARC committee as well, they only make a recommendation, and the Board is the ultimate decision authority. Just something to be aware of and knowledgeable about I suppose.

Regardless, it sounds like you followed proper procedure and received appropriate approval. The only uncertainty that I see . . . within all that you did, was the project built-out exactly how it was relayed to neighbors and how it was relayed to and approved by the ARC committee? If there is discrepancy there, then that is perhaps the only argument that could be made by the neighbor or the ARC committee or the Board.

If what you built is exactly what you presented to neighbors and exactly what was approved by the committee, then I think you have 2 options now:
1) Be proactive in seeking your own legal input and present to the Board before they come to a decision.
2) Await the Board decision to see if you'll need to lawyer up.

We used to have a similar process where owners were to seek neighbor input/signature on their packages . . . but signatures were only on one page with much other info being contained on other pages. In the end, neither our committee nor Board knew if what was told to the neighbor was the same thing that ended up coming to the committee & Board for review & approval. Someone who sought to subvert the intent of the process could easily do so.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Josh, based on what you wrote, case law is in your favor here. You followed the procedure for approval. You relied on this approval to spend considerable money for the improvement. From what I have seen in the case law, the HOA can only backpedal if it is willing to reimburse you your expenses for the construction; pay for the removal itself; and has a good reason for removing the structure, such as it is a blatant violation of the covenants and the ARC was clearly wrong in approving the structure.

My HOA interviewed a few attorneys recently, for potential retention as general counsel. One of them early on said something like, "Look, a HOA's job is to be fair and reasonable. If it is, then it won't have many legal problems." The other interviewees said similar. The point is, "being fair and reasonable" is the theme in case law, and a good HOA attorney knows this well.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
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Josh, I would suggest that you hunker down, do nothing and see what happens. If you get a lawyer involved now, that's money out of your pocket. If they take civil action against you, I think you have such a dead bang winner that the HOA will also have to pick up your legal fees.

If they merely fine you, you can contest those fines (and only those fines as levied) in small claims court. They are certain to be tossed out. Then the HOA needs to either take a hint on their legal standing or up the ante to Superior Court. If that happens come in hard and fast with legal help and asking for your legal fees to be reimbursed.

But you have such a case for determental reliance, your going to get money. Even in the very unlikely chance that you have to remove the shed, you'll get every dime back, including costs to go to Lowes, costs to put the grass back, lawyer fees, gas money to go to the lawyer, parking fees etc etc etc.

Your HOA is in a world of hurt.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By MarkM31 on 03/29/2017 10:20 AM
Josh, I would suggest that you hunker down, do nothing and see what happens. If you get a lawyer involved now, that's money out of your pocket. If they take civil action against you, I think you have such a dead bang winner that the HOA will also have to pick up your legal fees.

If they merely fine you, you can contest those fines (and only those fines as levied) in small claims court. They are certain to be tossed out. Then the HOA needs to either take a hint on their legal standing or up the ante to Superior Court. If that happens come in hard and fast with legal help and asking for your legal fees to be reimbursed.

But you have such a case for determental reliance, your going to get money. Even in the very unlikely chance that you have to remove the shed, you'll get every dime back, including costs to go to Lowes, costs to put the grass back, lawyer fees, gas money to go to the lawyer, parking fees etc etc etc.

Your HOA is in a world of hurt.

LOL ... I would sit back also. In the meantime check your State Laws .... In Colorado any construction which supposedly does not meet CCR's if the HOA does not challenge within one year (taking the violator to court) then it is too bad so sad. Even though you really do not need a State Statute as you have too many other items in writing it will be another feather in your cap if exists.
JoshR2 (Washington)
Posts: 3
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I appreciate all the advice. For now I will sit back and wait. Last I heard the board of directors will be meeting soon to discuss the matter and take a vote to determine if the building needs to be removed or not. The though of them even meeting to discuss anything in regards to the building I had built that they approved just blows me away.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
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Just remember that you probably can't recoup legal fee's for a premptive strike. So let them fine or sue you, then counter sue.

You may want a little professional advice if they decide to go after you.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By JoshR2 on 04/02/2017 10:08 PM
The though of them even meeting to discuss anything in regards to the building I had built that they approved just blows me away.

I had an attorney a few years ago who made a statement that really stuck with me.

He stated that ... many times you have A$$ H_ _ _S. And many times you have some who are Stupid and unfortunately it is very difficult or impossible to fix STUPID.

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