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ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
re: Palm Beach County Florida HOA special membership meeting for special assessment

is there anybody out there who has experienced the use of a limited proxy ballot to approve a $2 million clubhouse expansion project?

heretofore all votes in the HOA have been via the double envelope secret ballot!

appreciated

arthur
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
In my community we only use proxies for the annual meeting - homeowners can use them to help establish a quorum in order to hold the meeting and vote for board members (they can nominate themselves or someone else, provided everyone's current with assessments).

You should check your documents, but I would never want proxies to be used to cast a vote for a special assessment. This is something that I think homeowners need to make an effort to attend a special meeting and cast a vote that way or the association can send ballots out and people can fill them out and return them. To keep things fair, you might have the ballots sent to a designated place and kept sealed until the day of a special homeowners meeting. Those ballots can be opened in front of everyone and counted to see if enough votes were cast in favor of the special assessment.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I expect that you mean a directed proxy.

A directed proxy is one where you appoint someone to act for and cast a vote on your behalf. However, it specifies that the vote is to be cast a specific way.

We often use directed proxies at our general membership meetings.
ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
friends

in nov 2008 this hoa voted by secret ballot in a special membership meeting to amend governing docs (community took over from developer in 2007). in april 2013 community again voted in special membership meeting via secret ballot to authorize $98,000 to upgrade front entrance water pumps (cap for any single capital expenditure is $50,000 without membership approval

from 2007-2017 Membership voted in annual election for Board Directors by the double envelope secret ballot

fast forward to 2017: new Board fixated on expanding clubhouse theater. they maneuvered for a limited proxy ballot, with collusion of property manager. Our governing docs only address annual vote for Board Directors: no guidance on special membership meeting for a special assessment vote! resulting in following scenario:

- during the 2/16-3/2 voting period, property manger printed out almost on a daily basis for Board - which Members voted and which Members had not yet voted (this is small FL HOA of 324 homes in palm beach countuy)

- property manager "leaked" to Board how Members actually voted (yes/no for clubhouse expansion)

- with this leaked privileged voting info, Board Directors began coercing hoa members to change their vote from a NO to a YES for clubhouse expansion. They needed 179 YES votes (55% of 324 homes); they secured 184 votes

welcome to FL HOA retirement living

arthur
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Personally, I don't have an issue with the board knowing how many people voted vs. those who didn't - when we needed a homeowner vote to shut down our pool, we had our property manager keep track of that and then we contacted those folks saying we didn't hear from them and need X percentage to vote yea or nea. We didn't tell them how to vote - in fact, the letter accompanied a fact sheet on the issues surrounding the pool and why the board was recommending it be closed for good. If people agreed, great, if not, that was ok too (that's why you vote). There were some people who simply chose not to participate at all - we can't force anyone to vote, so I have to wonder how your board "coerced" 184 homeowners to vote for what they want. What can they threaten them with?

And how do you know the property manager told the board who voted and how? Did you confront the board with this information? Have you told your neighbors (including how you got the information?) It seems to me if people felt pressured, they should all band together and vote these folks out and put in homeowners who will do what they wan, such as getting another property manager. By the way, the property manager works for the association, not the other way around, so if the property manager told the board who voted or not and you have an issue with that, you start with the board because they're the ones who have to authorize this.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I am of the opinion that Arthur was on the wrong side of the losing side of this vote.and he wants to try and overturn it. It is not a matter if done properly. It is a matter of Arthur not liking the results.
ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
update
several neighbors approached a FL attorney, who opined that there were legal irregularities at play:

- property manager never should have printed out list of voters and non-voters

- you can not "leak" how a HOA resident voted

- you can't coerce a voter to change his/her vote

we are not seeking damages, merely a revote that is transparent
arthur

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
If they used force or threats to get people to change their vote then that's probably actionable. Something tells me there was no real coercion. Non-violent and non-threatening persuasion, even if lies are being told, doesn't rise to the level of "coercion".

With regard to your other points about the PM being in cahoots with your board, what do your documents say about special meetings or voting on special amendments? It's sleazy as hell but in a vote where your documents don't say when, where and by whom the votes should be tallied I think you're going to find yourself on the short end of the stick. Also, ask to see the contract between the HOA and the PM.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Correction: "voting on special assessments", not "voting on special amendments".

Are you a FS 720 Homeowners Association or a FS 718 Condo Association?

The DBPR will only arbitrate an FS 720 HOA election of directors, not for any other kind of vote. You'll have to go through mediation first and then go to the courts for relief on anything other than an election of directors.

The double-envelope voting method is normally used only for the election of directors. Other votes, such as for a special assessment, can use the same double-envelope method but that depends on the exact wording of your bylaws. If the bylaws are silent on the matter then, believe it or not, there's nothing in the state's promulgated code of ethics or professional conduct that prohibits a property manager from sharing early voting results with a board. They shouldn't be allowed to open the votes/proxies in the first place, in my opinion, but that all depends on your governing documents and the wording of your contract with the management company.
ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
friends

we are a Florida HOA in Palm Beach County, under FL HOA Statutes 720. Our governing docs (2003) do not address issue of how to vote for a special membership meeting to amend governing docs and/or special membership meeting to address a special assessment. Heretofore in 2009 and in 2013 Board(s) used double envelope (secret ballot) for prior Special Membership Meetings. The 2017 Board used this limited proxy ballot methodology for a March 2 special assessment vote, because a limited proxy voting methodology gave the Board more access to how Membership voted

Our lawyer opines that we can force a revote

arthur
ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
more

a retired attorney opines that my HOA Board in Palm Beach County FL is only allowed on a Resident's property for architectural review, landscaping, maintenance, utility easement issues without prior permission.

Wen Board canvassed for pro-Clubhouse expansion votes they entered the zone of "no trespassing/no solicitation" on private property

arthur

PS Board aggregated 184 votes for clubhouse expansion (179 required) They never would have reached this goal without kinetic coercion and subliminal threats...again all this is documented in writing

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
FS 720 leaves virtually all the details about voting, both for elections and voting on other matters, up to the HOA's governing documents. I think the double-envelope secret ballot system is the best way to go, myself, on all membership votes. Even that system, however, needs to be authorized in the bylaws before it can be used. The condo law in Florida is much more strict about voting procedures than the HOA law. So unless your documents say otherwise the board is likely free to use whatever method of voting they choose. Sealed double-envelope ballots for an amendment in 2009, fine. In-person vote with proxies allowed for something else in 2016, that's fine too unless the governing documents, e.g. the Bylaws, specifically call for something else.

Without knowing what your governing documents actually say there's no way to be sure. From what you've shared I would seriously consider getting a second opinion from a different lawyer. Spending a few hundred dollars on that might be worth it because I think - and I'm not an attorney - he might be blowing smoke to drum up some business. By the time you went through mediation and a trial to force a revote, you're likely to have other opportunities to remove or replace your board of directors.
ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
again, this HOA's docs do not discuss voting methodology at special membership meetings. Board utilized limited proxy to their advantage

- to instruct Property Manager to print our periodically during this 2/16-3/2/17 voting period, print out lists of who voted and who didn't vote

- Property Manager allowed Board to access how Members actually voted for this $2 million clubhouse expansion issue

-Board Officers then kinetically coerced Members to change their vote from a NO to a YES on this clubhouse expansion issue

arthur
ArthurG4 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
update

- March 28. 2016 Group of 16 Plaintiffs signed a demand letter for pre-lawsuit Mediation

- April 3 Board agreed to Mediation; mediation scheduled for June 27

- Per FL HOA 720.303 limited proxy ballot forms were inspected on March 31 and on April 28 - documented proof that the voting process was improperly cast. Invalid ballots that should have been discarded were counted nevertheless!!!

arthur green

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