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ScottF5 (Arizona)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Our AZ mgmt company has distributed the ballots to all homeowners to complete and return to the mgmt company. There are a few issues ongoing and the current Board has made a decision that would effectively block a large group of residents from access to their units for a 24 hour period by a street resealing (not repaving) project. As a prospective new Board member, I feel a duty to advise all members of this inconvenience. I've communicated my legitimate concerns about the lack of an equitable solution to the street closures, but those seem to have been ignored . Even though notices were just recently provided to all members as a matter of fact without opportunities to respond, many will feel they have no choice in the matter. As there are some members with mobility challenges, something must be done to accommodate all residents.
I would like to know if the current members who have already submitted their votes in sealed envelopes to be opened the day before the annual meeting to be held next week, to be able to submit revised ballots given the information recently disseminated. I'm wondering if a vote previously submitted, but not yet officially counted can be corrected & resubmitted to reflect the members opinions of this current Board's obvious lack of consideration for all members collectively. They may very well want to change their votes to another candidate with a greater vision and expressed concern for the community.
As the Board is voted in by the members, they work for ALL the members. The annual meeting and voting should be postponed. Thoughts?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Or they may want to simply park their cars in a neighbor's driveway for a day or two. With all due respect, this sounds like making a mountain out of a molehill. The resealing project has been scheduled. Some people will be inconvenienced for a brief period. Make arrangements to deal with the inconvenience, it's not like it's going to last a month.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Geno makes sense, Scott.

In addition, AZ laws, as in CA (I think!), may state that ballots are irrevocable once turned in.

I'm curious, Scott: what would an "equitable solution" be to avoid shutting down a street for resealing?
ScottF5 (Arizona)
Posts: 13
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To block vehicle traffic for 24 hours would mean a lot to seniors and those with mobility issues. This is a private development with one entry/exit point. Its,an absolute inconvenience. The voting members will have a choice to bring in another ballot to replace the one previously submitted. They'll have their say
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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And what is your solution, Scott?

My spouse & I stayed in our friends' desert-resort type HOA a few years ago when they had portions of the streets resealed at a time. We could park on the premises but was at least 1/4 mile across some uneven terrain from the special parking area to the TH. 100 degrees, too. I think resident either simply stocked up & stayed home, or stayed with family/friends on in a motel for one night.
ScottF5 (Arizona)
Posts: 13
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The resealing will be done in two phases. One side of the community will be done where residents can park on the other side. While it's a temporary inconvenience, at least residents won't have to park outside the community as offered as a solution by the soon to be changed current Board.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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When we have resealing done, we have everyone move their vehicles or face towing.
They may park in another part of the development or on the public roadway.
We do hire security to patrol the public roadway during the night hours.

It's one day.
People can make arrangements.

ScottF5 (Arizona)
Posts: 13
Posted:
That smacks of what an incompassionate Board member might say.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Compassion is a trait in short supply these days and I don't dismiss it lightly, but outside of health care, the gamut of fiduciary relationships do not usually include compassion as a defining characteristic (paraphrasing from "A Clinical Guide to Psychiatric Ethics" by Roberts).

I don't think condo or homeowners associations are in the business of health care and I think exercising compassion in the governance of condos and HOAs is probably outside of a board's authority. It would terrify me if my board used "compassion" to justify their actions in singling out people for special treatment.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By ScottF5 on 03/13/2017 5:14 PM
That smacks of what an incompassionate Board member might say.

Perhaps.

What you have to remember is that one can be compassionate even when the job doesn't allow it.

What are the additional costs in having the crew make two trips (or several trips) vs. one?
What are the additional costs for added security (if you provide it) for parking outside the neighborhood?
What are the additional costs for additional notifications?
Who is available on those additional days to arrange knock on doors or arrange for towing of vehicles that were not moved?
How will this affect trash/recycling pickup?
How will this affect mail delivery?
How will this affect lawn care service?
How will this affect other contractors?
How will this affect timelines of having other streets sealed?

These are things that a Board member must consider.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By GenoS on 03/13/2017 6:17 PM
Compassion is a trait in short supply these days and I don't dismiss it lightly, but outside of health care, the gamut of fiduciary relationships do not usually include compassion as a defining characteristic (paraphrasing from "A Clinical Guide to Psychiatric Ethics" by Roberts).

I don't think condo or homeowners associations are in the business of health care and I think exercising compassion in the governance of condos and HOAs is probably outside of a board's authority. It would terrify me if my board used "compassion" to justify their actions in singling out people for special treatment.

WELL SAID.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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As I noted in your duplicate post, the election and the repaving project are separate issues. Your concerns about the repaving may be valid, but it doesn’t justify postponing the annual meeting or election. I suspect the repaving has been discussed for the last few months, so if people had concerns about parking or how long the job would take, they had time to bring it up. They might also express their concerns during the resident forum portion at the annual meeting.

As Tim said, there may also be cost issues if the contractor has to do the projects over several days, not to mention other issues with lawn care, trash pickup, etc. It may be the current board considered all this and came up with this plan because it was the best option to get the project done in a timely manner and a reasonable cost. Just because a board makes a decision you don’t agree with doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t care.

You say you’re a prospective board member – if you have some ideas on how such projects might be done in the future, make that part of your pitch to the homeowners and then see what happens. The ballots have already been cast, so it may be you’ve already won a spot. If so, you’ll be in a better position to see how these projects come together and could push your ideas at that time.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I probably won't sound compassionate either, but still so wonder why the ones who'd be most bothered simply can't stay home of the day, or a way for the day. I hope you didn't hang your candidacy hat on this concern and were able to address much larger topics.

In my 10 active, productive years on our board (200+ high rise condos), the least effective directors are those who persistently focussed on personal issues, i.e., the effects on a few individual owners of x, y or z policies. These directors we unable to shift their gaze to a larger level of analysis--the overall health of our community.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 03/15/2017 9:26 AM
I probably won't sound compassionate either, but still so wonder why the ones who'd be most bothered simply can't stay home of the day, or a way for the day. I hope you didn't hang your candidacy hat on this concern and were able to address much larger topics.

In my 10 active, productive years on our board (200+ high rise condos), the least effective directors are those who persistently focussed on personal issues, i.e., the effects on a few individual owners of x, y or z policies. These directors we unable to shift their gaze to a larger level of analysis--the overall health of our community.

Well said.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By KerryL1 on 03/15/2017 9:26 AM
I probably won't sound compassionate either, but still so wonder why the ones who'd be most bothered simply can't stay home of the day, or a way for the day. I hope you didn't hang your candidacy hat on this concern and were able to address much larger topics.

In my 10 active, productive years on our board (200+ high rise condos), the least effective directors are those who persistently focussed on personal issues, i.e., the effects on a few individual owners of x, y or z policies. These directors we unable to shift their gaze to a larger level of analysis--the overall health of our community.

That mirrors my experience here in my Florida HOA, Kerry, albeit on a smaller scale and timeline. Our board selected 2 people to fill a couple of director vacancies. The both of them were focused on only one very specific issue. Once that issue was dealt with they resigned; they didn't even make it to the end of the year.

I think that should be a very real concern. Single-issue board members may tend to check out of all the other business that needs to be managed. Not everyone, of course, and I do think Scott has the right idea, at least, that if you don't like what your board is doing then staging a takeover of the board is pretty much the answer to most problems.

We've got a couple of dozen seniors living in my community, maybe half are over 80. They've got an assortment of mobility problems themselves. Many use a "Community Coach" that pickes them up and drops them off at their door and runs them around to appointments, the grocery store, the mall, etc. If we had to block off their streets for 24 or 48 hours it would be inconvenient for them, sure, but they would manage. It's only for a day or two, it's not the end of the world, and if someone absolutely needs to be picked up to go somewhere on that day then I don't think it's out of line to suggest they make arrangements to stay somewhere else for a night.

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