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JohnD55 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I requested various financial documents from the property manager and so far I'm being ignored. What process should I follow to demand these documents and what Florida government agency would I contact to assist me if they further ignore my request?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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For starters, make sure you're only requesting what you legally have access to. Make sure you ask for them by their correct name, for instance, the "settlement letter dated xxx, 20xx, containing the details of our lawsuit against xxx." Wasn't that sent to you anyway? 2nd make your request in writing and mail return receipt requested, and give a reason for wanting the materials. Wanting to know what your dues are paying for is good enough. Try also sending it to one or more Board members.

How long ago did you make your request? Don't your state laws say how much time the board/MC have ti get these materials to you??

Third, do not request that any separate documents be compiled.
JohnD55 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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I first made my request with the property manager last week. I have followed up with various phone calls and emails but all went unanswered. The problem is there's only two board members and they both husband and wife and will not communicate with anyone.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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You will need to check FL law to see how much time the Association has to respond.
Keep in mind that the right to inspect is not the same as the right to receive copies for free.

I would attempt what you are attempting.
I would make a second request through the property manager referencing applicable state statutes.
If that failed to work, I would then follow it up with another request, referencing the initial request, and send it by certified mail to the registered agent with a copy to the property manager and each director.

If all requests went unanswered, I'd spend $300 and have an attorney write a letter on my behalf and deliver it to the registered agent and file a complaint with the licensing Board for the CAM.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Are you in a condo association or an HOA? Condos are governed by Florida Statute 718, HOAs by 720. Statute 720 is here:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/0720.html

Search for "INSPECTION AND COPYING OF RECORDS" to see what the responsibilities are. Most association records are available for inspection and copying, as far as I know, the association does not have to send you anything on request. You do not have to explain why you want to inspect the records.

They have 10 days to allow you to inspect, after that you are entitled to damages:

(b) A member who is denied access to official records is entitled to the actual damages or minimum damages for the association’s willful failure to comply with this subsection. The minimum damages are to be $50 per calendar day up to 10 days, the calculation to begin on the 11th business day after receipt of the written request.

Statute 718 for condos might differ in details, I'm not as familiar with it.

The bad news is that there is no state "HOA police" to actually enforce the law, you have to enforce yourself via the courts. You could try contacting the AG's office, but I doubt they would help.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Such good info for you, John, from Douglas, who actually is in FL. And I see you need to offer no reasons for your request (as we do in CA).

Do you live near your rental in that HOA? It might help to stop by the management office. I still would send something to the board members too, especially now that you know more. How many directors are there supposed to be, anyway?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Send your request in writing return receipt requested. You might consider sending same to the corporation's registered agent in case the directors choose not to sign for the letter.

Are you in an HOA or a Condo association? The minimum number of directors, in either case, is 3 in Florida. Send another letter, return receipt requested, informing them of your intent to file with the local circuit court for the appointment of a receiver to manage the affairs of the association.

They'll sit up and take notice after that.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Good ideas from Geno, too!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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May I ask what your purpose is to want a copy of the financials? Are you stating that when you request? That purpose may make some uncomfortable. I would not state why I want to see the financials other than you want to view records that are to be open to members. Don't expect to have a copy handed to you. You most likely have to make arrangements to VIEW the documents. If you want copies, then you most likely have to pay for them.

Sometimes you don't have to see the "financials" of your HOA to know what is going on. There are of course meetings, meeting notes, and talking to others in your community who do attend meetings. There maybe various communications sent out. Some maybe referring to needing a special assessment or raising dues.

A HOA is only funded by it's members for it's members. Do you have an apathetic HOA? A lot of rentals or foreclosures? Just a general look around and communicating with fellow members can do more than financial sheets can. It can empower you and your neighbors to run for the board.

Former HOA President
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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In a Florida HOA one does not need to list ANY reason to inspect the financials. It's different for condos.

If I had to give a reason it would be, "because I paid to fund the association and I want to know what happened to the money". In my opinion anyone who would question your motives is likely to have something to hide or feels guilty about something he or she did in the past.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By GenoS on 02/18/2017 6:48 PM

Are you in an HOA or a Condo association? The minimum number of directors, in either case, is 3 in Florida. Send another letter, return receipt requested, informing them of your intent to file with the local circuit court for the appointment of a receiver to manage the affairs of the association.

They'll sit up and take notice after that.

I would advise against this unless you actually intend to proceed with such an action.

If bluffing and you are called on it, you lose credibility.
If not bluffing, understand what receivership is.

If there are only 2 directors, the question to ask is why?
Perhaps no other volunteers have stepped forward to serve. Would you be willing to serve if asked?
JohnD55 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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This is a condo association
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
John here is a section from the State Statute regarding your question:

718.111 The association.—

(12) OFFICIAL RECORDS.—

(c) The official records of the association are open to inspection by any association member or the authorized representative of such member at all reasonable times. The right to inspect the records includes the right to make or obtain copies, at the reasonable expense, if any, of the member. The association may adopt reasonable rules regarding the frequency, time, location, notice, and manner of record inspections and copying. The failure of an association to provide the records within 10 working days after receipt of a written request creates a rebuttable presumption that the association willfully failed to comply with this paragraph. A unit owner who is denied access to official records is entitled to the actual damages or minimum damages for the association’s willful failure to comply. Minimum damages are $50 per calendar day for up to 10 days, beginning on the 11th working day after receipt of the written request. The failure to permit inspection entitles any person prevailing in an enforcement action to recover reasonable attorney fees from the person in control of the records who, directly or indirectly, knowingly denied access to the records. Any person who knowingly or intentionally defaces or destroys accounting records that are required by this chapter to be maintained during the period for which such records are required to be maintained, or who knowingly or intentionally fails to create or maintain accounting records that are required to be created or maintained, with the intent of causing harm to the association or one or more of its members, is personally subject to a civil penalty pursuant to s. 718.501(1)(d). The association shall maintain an adequate number of copies of the declaration, articles of incorporation, bylaws, and rules, and all amendments to each of the foregoing, as well as the question and answer sheet as described in s. 718.504 and year-end financial information required under this section, on the condominium property to ensure their availability to unit owners and prospective purchasers, and may charge its actual costs for preparing and furnishing these documents to those requesting the documents. An association shall allow a member or his or her authorized representative to use a portable device, including a smartphone, tablet, portable scanner, or any other technology capable of scanning or taking photographs, to make an electronic copy of the official records in lieu of the association’s providing the member or his or her authorized representative with a copy of such records. The association may not charge a member or his or her authorized representative for the use of a portable device. Notwithstanding this paragraph, the following records are not accessible to unit owners:

The full statute can be viewed here: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0718/0718.html

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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You may also want to review at that link the section below one I provided above titled: (13) FINANCIAL REPORTING.—
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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To provide "proof" of receipt of any written request ... the request needs to be sent "Certified Return Receipt", so you would know when the HOA representative received your request.
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
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Posted By JohnD55 on 02/18/2017 1:28 PM
I requested various financial documents from the property manager and so far I'm being ignored. What process should I follow to demand these documents and what Florida government agency would I contact to assist me if they further ignore my request?

Are you the unit owner or a tenant? I believe the proper person to send the request to is the board, not the property manager. I would send it certified mail, to make sure you have proof of their receipt of your request.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/19/2017 4:16 AM
I would advise against this unless you actually intend to proceed with such an action.

If bluffing and you are called on it, you lose credibility.
If not bluffing, understand what receivership is.

If there are only 2 directors, the question to ask is why?
Perhaps no other volunteers have stepped forward to serve. Would you be willing to serve if asked?

We don't know how long these things have been going on in JohnD55's condo association. On the financial records front, it's possible John hasn't submitted a proper request yet and that doing so will provide him with what he's looking for. If they've been stonewalling him for months, though, then that's a cause for concern.

Same with the condo board. It may be a short-term problem that will resolve itself soon enough. But if the only 2 directors are a husband and wife and they are and have been acting unreasonably (and possibly unlawfully) for any length of time then I think that's as good a reason as any to initiate the procedure to have a receiver appointed.

It's an extreme measure to be sure, but when the other unit owners are notified of what's about to happen - unless they wake up and smell the coffee - they'll wake up sooner rather than later. No bluffing is involved. The notice alerts all unit owners that unless a sufficent number of directors are in place within 30 days then a petition to the court will be filed asking for a receiver.

The lack of credibility would be on the unit owners who allow that to happen after receiving a 30-day notice, in my opinion. Not the owner looking to force the issue.

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