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JackC12 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
In 2014 our 47 members had a takeover (via voting - 37 to 1) from the developer who allowed their corp license and declarant rights to expire - they were also very dishonest and have never lived up to a verbal promise. When the developer began to develop the other side of the lake, they created HOA2. Our side has no public lake access (all private properties), but the newly developed side does via public roads. The dam is registered in the developers name and they pay the 6-yr inspection and insurance fees.

Since that time I have been either a Board Director, Pres, VP, Secretary, Asst treasurer etc and Grounds chair. Our board gets along great, however we are tired. At the end of 2017 we strongly believe no one will run for the board. We are considering shutting down HOA1. We don't have any community property. Our HOA1 pays all expenses to maintain the entrance (1 mile of fencing and grass cutting) with annual permission from the two property owners. We also pay for insurance, VA state licensing, etc. If we dissolve the HOA, no clue who will maintain the front entrance, guess the developer will have to if they want to sell new homes. Lake access will be obtained by driving through the public road in HOA2. HOA1 members on the lake, own the land under the lake half-way across. All savings will be distributed equally. We assume the developer would be glad for members on our side to join their HOA for their $600 annual fee.

We will notify our members of the boards intent to dissolve the HOA, in July 2017, when we call for new 2018 candidates. If we don't receive at least 3 candidates (by-laws and covenants require 3), then the current board will begin the shut down process with our attorney.

Thoughts?, Guidelines?, Suggestions?

Jack C
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JackC12 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
State of Virginia. County Govt does not care - their attorney. There are no dissolution guidelines in our gov docs - Bylaws, Covenants or Articles of Incorporation (all inherited from the developer). We do not have any amenities, retention ponds, buildings.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Are all your expenses related to the entrance? If so, someone's going to have to take over the maintenance and I doubt it'll be the city or county. You probably can't put this back on the developer if the homeowners took over your community.

You really need to talk to your association attorney about the pros and cons of shutting down the association. If there are people who would like to join the second HOA, you'll need to figure out how that would work - and you'll have to negotiate something with the developer. But first talk to the association attorney - if you don't have one, get one (you need someone who specializes in HOAs, so go to your local bar association to get a referral if necessary).

A final quick tip - verbal promises don't mean jack, as you've found out the hard way (it's amazing how people still believe that, but don't seem to realize there's usually no way to prove who said what). Next time, get promises IN WRITING.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Jack,

Who owns the land the entrance is at?

Who pays the electric bill for street lights?

Are there any playgrounds?

Are swales (storm water management) on private land, common area or easements that the association maintains?

Who maintains the sidewalks (if any)?

Who maintains the streets?

Is there signage along the streets that the Association is responsible for?

Who pays for trash/recycling services?

Who owns the land under the other half of the lake?

As I understand it, and I am not an attorney, if you want to dissolve the Association, the membership will need to amend the CC&Rs to remove any responsibility for services or property from the Association (this would include prior approval for any exterior changes). Other portions of the covenants can remain intact and continue to run with the land.

The Association will need to sell or transfer any common land or rights with common land (any monies gained would be taxable income).

The Association will need to make this whole thing a package deal so costs associated with the dissolution are paid for (once the CC&Rs are amended, the Association won't have the authority to assess members if costs run over the amount the association has).

Excess funds will need to be dealt with (returned to members - which may require 1099s be issued, donated to charity, etc.).

The Board should seek advice from an attorney versed in corporate and contract law.
JackC12 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
90% of the expenses are covering the entrance. The rest is std HOA insurance, corp registration fees, legal advice, postage.

The entrance land, fence and monuments are owned by the individual land owners, the developer never got an easement; they pissed off the owners. The land owners are responsible to cut their own grass, maintain their fence and monuments. However, the community voted to offer those services to the land owners at no cost to them with an annual renewal.

No Electric, lights, sidewalks, playground, storm water mgmt. retention ponds, hoa signs, no land โ€“ no nothing! ๏Š Streets are state maintained, trash is up to the individuals and land owners on the other side of the lake own their half underwater.

As for amending the CC&Rs, we tried but lost by 1 vote. Then one of the neighbors put together a group to work on CC&Rs, that was last Sept and they cannot agree on anything except some are waiting for the developer to finish on the other side then combine the 2 HOAs โ€“ that will be 3-5 yrs.

In a nut shell, if no one runs for the board, the risk of not doing anything is higher than dissolution. Personal opinion - if no one steps up, no need for a vote, lack of participation closes that door and the current board will execute with our attorney.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
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Posted By JackC12 on 02/18/2017 11:08 AM

Personal opinion - if no one steps up, no need for a vote, lack of participation closes that door and the current board will execute with our attorney.

Keep in mind that Virginia Corporate law, ยง 13.1-857, specifies that those serving as Directors remain as directors until their replacement is named or they resign:

"... despite the expiration of a director's term, a director continues to serve until his successor is elected and qualifies or until there is a decrease in the number of directors, if any."

If nobody steps forward, the final act of the Board should be to petition the court for receivership (which I do not recommend).

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Jack,

Even if you dissolve the HOA, you will still be burdened with CC&R's requiring membership in that association. To do this right, you need to amend the CC&R's to remove all references to the HOA.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Be sure to also check your CCR's and State Laws to see if the Local Government has to approve allowing you to disband the HOA. In my area the local government has to also agree. Also, keep in mind if you do this then if a neighbor decides to not take care of their property and park junk vehicles, etc. then you and others will have no recourse to correct except for local government ordinances. If they do something your local ordinances do not cover it will be too bad ... so sad.

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