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MelanieE1 (Idaho)
Posts: 2
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My HOA may be turned over to the owners in 1-2 years. The build-out has been fairly swift but the developer failed to raise the dues for many years which has caused the community to be illiquid and the developer has carried the debt. The developer also fully controls all committees although owners members are involved to prepare for transition, still the control and all decisions ultimately are the developer's. Decisions made by committees have been overridden by the developer a few times. I am concerned about the debt, which has decreased some once there were enough involved residents complaining about the debt and the fees were finally raised last year and again this year.

I am concerned that the developer controls everything and profits when the fees are increased since they also manage the HOA, set the budget and take 10% of the fees. I am concerned that there is no separation of duties in the fiduciary area that the developer controls. We have insisted on a reserve study, it will be charged to HOA, however there aren't any reserve funds and normal repairs have already begun to be performed in his seven year old development. I am looking for advice regarding my separation of duties concerns and the failure to raise fees to adequately and frequently enough to cover costs when it was clear that the community didn't have enough funds to function in the black.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Your HOA is still developer controlled. The debt is theirs. A HOA is a non-profit. It is to collect as much as it spends. Plus a reserve account for long term capital coverage if needed. Your HOA doesn't need to worry about the Developer's budget. It needs to be concerned about what it will be when you all take over.

I would put together a committee for transition. Make up your own budget. Your all going to be a separate entity from the builder soon. So may as well start make preparations to act like one. You all won't be able to act but should be able to get some plans together.

The developer budget is theirs at this point. The overall concern should be when you inherit do you know what that will entail? Will your dues cover it? A little foresight may go a long way when it's going to become behind sight...

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/08/2017 2:42 PM

Your HOA is still developer controlled. The debt is theirs.

That is an incorrect statement that is very bad to post.

That is like saying, the previous Board controlled the Association, hence any loans are theirs and not the Assocaitions.

If the Board, regardless of who was on it, accepted debt on behalf of the Association, the Association has a legal requirement to pay back that debt.
MelanieE1 (Idaho)
Posts: 2
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No one agreed to the debt other than the Developer, who created the debt by not charging enough in HOA fees.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By MelanieE1 on 02/08/2017 4:18 PM
No one agreed to the debt other than the Developer, who created the debt by not charging enough in HOA fees.

As the developer controlled the corporation, he accepted the debt on behalf of the association thus the association under developer or owner control, owes the debt.

Chances are the developer put up a bond of some type (town/city) and in order to be released from the bond he may need the owners agree to the transition. Work this angle.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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John's advice makes sense, Melanie. And you're right, It's crucial the reserve study be done.

Is it possible there still are warranties on some of the reserve components? That will help.

If you owners perceive constructions defects, one clue is reserves components that aren't lasting as long as they should, you may want to think about that angle too.

Dues: Yes, unfortunately, developer often do not collect enough in dues to keep them low so that they can sell the homes. It's very common, too that they underfund reserves--not at all is shocking and I wonder if it's even legal. I'm thinking a group of you owners might want to chip in together and consult with an HOA attorney for advice about the best way to proceed. (Melissa, I'm NOT talking lawsuit).
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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In some instances it can depend on your State Laws if you have HOA statutes. In CO the developer is responsible for maintaining property he can use for his development rights. For example if the developer reserved the right to store materials on common area property in the CCR's during construction, then the developer is responsible for paying to maintain that property.

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