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JennyG1 (Indiana)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Our board says it is too expensive and useless to take steps to collect delinquent accounts,what I am wondering then, if they cannot collect delinquent dues then why are the rest of paying ours?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Well it takes money to make money. In your case, your HOA sounds like it's too broke to pursue collections. Which depends on how they are trying to collect. You don't do it by lawsuits. You do it by filing a lien. Which costs vary around $500. It depends on many variables as it may or may not take a lawyer to file. What your court charges for filing fees. Sometimes just a legal service will do it for you without needing a full time lawyer.

A lien is a much stronger collection instrument than a lawsuit. You can not lift a lien till the debt is owed. That debt does include all back dues, interest (Legal applicable), late fees, and filings costs of the lien. You can negotiate with an owner willing to pay by dismissing the interest/late fees if needed to work with someone. Just to give some "wiggle room" for collecting anything.

A lien doesn't allow someone to sell their home without paying the money they owe. A lawsuit doesn't hold that much "teeth". An owner can simply walk away without paying a dime even if the HOA wins. A lien also will lead to a Foreclosure. Which is the very last step one should take. Even that is not that expensive. Ours cost us around $800. Your HOA never ever wants to own the home when it goes up for bid..

I would do the research on how much it costs to file a lien for unpaid dues. I would also institute a policy of when a lien gets placed. Our HOA we filed a lien at 6 months behind. 1 year behind we considered foreclosure. You can't foreclose on an active duty member so considering foreclosure has many factors to figure in. It doesn't work for every situation. Especially if the bank is already foreclosing.

Your HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. So keep that in mind when such expenses come up. It might be that there isn't enough money to cover any of these costs to pursue everyone behind. Your to get the money back as part of the lien process. It's just the up front money can indeed cause a hardship.

Former HOA President
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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It is not useless and it is their duty to enforce and collect from everyone. If they do not want to perform their duty then they should potentially resign or the membership needs to step up to the plate and replace their board members with members who will act in the best interest of the association. The dues is how the association pays the bills owed for items which are contained in the governing documents that the HOA is to maintain. It is expenses which are supposed to be shared equally by all members of the HOA.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,063
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Posted By JennyG1 on 02/08/2017 1:34 PM
Our board says it is too expensive and useless to take steps to collect delinquent accounts,what I am wondering then, if they cannot collect delinquent dues then why are the rest of paying ours?

Excellent question and one you should pose to your Board.

How expensive collection efforts are will depend on language within your governing documents and applicable laws.
Do they allow the Association to apply late charges?
Do they allow the Association to assess the costs of collection?
Does the Association have the option of nonjudicial foreclosure?
Are the members in the military (as this can effect collection efforts)?

If not, it can become expensive.

However, at the very least, the Association should record the lien on the property. This will make sure that the Association is paid if the property is sold or refinanced.

For a real life example, last year we spent over $2,000 to collect on one account.
We did not recover all of that money and, in fact, had a net loss of $250 for the effort.

If your assessments are low, having a net loss of $250 to collect $100 can become expensive.

Keep in mind, you can always vote this board out and vote in those who will take the steps to enforce collections.
One very public foreclosure action may be all it needs to get everyone to actually pay their bill on time.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Everyone made great points, but the best tip is GET RID OF THIS BOARD! They are only making things worse, and like you, one has to wonder why they should scramble to pay assessments when others seem to skate by - and still get benefits! You may need to be one of the people who steps to the plate and take control, but you'll need the support of your neighbors to do it (and a few of them will also have to step up).

Start going to the meetings and demand more details - how much debt is owed, how many owners are involved (you don't need the names) and what has the board done, if anything, to try and collect? Do you have a collection policy? If so, when was the last time it was reviewed to see what needs to be changed to give it more teeth?

Most importantly, everyone needs to understand what can happen if everyone doesn't pay their fair share, so start spreading the news. Once you and your neighbors take control of the board, take a good look at the delinquencies and then talk to your association attorney on how to deal with it. Review the collection policy and then send everyone a letter announcing that RIGHT NOW collection efforts will start and failure to pay will have consequences, starting with losing the right to vote in association elections (check your documents) up to and including foreclosure. Foreclosure is the nuclear option and shouldn't be taken lightly, so you may want to look around on this board for the pros and cons, then work with your attorney on determining if and when you may have to do this (for example, you wouldn't want to do your own foreclosure if the mortgage company has already started its own).

War stories on the consequences on not paying assessments are also good to share. I don't know if it's still on the web, but about 5 years or go, there was an Indianapolis community (don't remember the name) that nearly got their water cut off for lack of payments. The community had a shared meter so the association paid the water bill. Unfortunately, nearly half the community was delinquent and one day everyone came home from work and found disconnect notices from the water company on their door. As you can imagine, all hell broke loose and the board finally came to its senses and scrambled to pay.

In the end, however, the homeowners had to pay a special assessment - I think it came down to about $500 per unit. Can you imagine, you've been paying your assessments faithfully only to cough up extra money because other people didn't pay - and STILL got to use water??? Having a shared meter really doesn't help matters either, but that's how the developer set up the community and is another issue for another day. In the meantime, do a search - if you find that story, hare that with your neighbors and tell them this is a taste of what will happen if you don't address this debt right now.

The regulars on this board know what I'm about to say next - if you need to get a handle on how to address delinquent fees, you might consider visiting the community association institute website and check out some of their education materials on the subject. There is a Central Indiana chapter that has local seminars from time to time, and I attended their sessions on collecting delinquent assessments when I was on the board.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In some states the BOD can get a lien by taking the delinquent owner to small claims court where a lawyer is not needed. In SC, Small Claims court is called Magistrates Court and any member of the BOD can file an action for somewhere around $75.

I could understand some low, unpaid dues not being worth going after but at least file a lien to protect the HOA.
JennyG1 (Indiana)
Posts: 7
Posted:
we live in a mobile home development park, but lots are sold with the mobile home about 500 members, we actually have a good amount budget, I printed out Indiana regarding non profits and states the rights and responsibilities and a page on Fidicuary responsibilities shared it with the board at a meeting only between me and them it was getting ugly and too heated so I left,
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Obviously we don’t know the details of who said what, but hopefully you’ve cooled off some and can consider what, if anything, you’re willing to do about this, because walking out doesn’t change anything.

I’m curious about this meeting between you and the board – was this prompted because YOU’VE stopped paying assessments because it seems no one else is? If so, I suggest you stop that right now – two wrongs don’t make a right, and besides you have a legal obligation to pay assessments. Why risk your credit rating and possibly your home to foreclosure if/when the board goes after YOU for delinquent assessments, which they can do? In fact, if they’re mad at you because of what you said about fiduciary duty (and you were correct in pointing that out), they may decide to go after you just to make an example of you.

Go back to my previous post to see what you and the homeowners must do to turn this around. Yes it’s a lot of work and you’ll have some (many?) aggravating moments, but if you want all the homeowners to share in the community’s maintenance and all the bills that go along with that (which is what a HOA does) and the board isn’t doing its job, you have to change the board and put in people who will do the job. That may also mean YOU have to step and serve – or you can sit down and whimper or fume (which still doesn’t change anything). Or sell your house and move. I don’t think you’re the type to sit down – otherwise, you wouldn’t have come to this board or taken the time to get the information on non-profit corporations and shown it to the board.

I don’t expect you to do all this by yourself, which is why I suggest you talk to your neighbors and find out how many are as pissed off as you are. You might also consider filing a complaint with the Attorney General’s Office – they can’t represent you individually, but you never know what a letter might do. Go to indianaconsumer.com and look for the online complaint form. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JennyG1 (Indiana)
Posts: 7
Posted:
a few month ago became a member of the board, so I researched the laws so I could do my right, turns out they were breaking just about all Indiana laws regarding non profit, I met with them with the hope of coming up with some kind of action plan to get us on tract, they don't do anything to encourage the community to get involved but gripe all the time because they are all doing themselves, I offered to write any letters and a quarterly newsletter, but they want to approve anything I write before sharing it with the community, after I reported them to the attorney general's office,we will see what happens
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Being a board member is a great start and I'm glad you're taking the time to educate yourself on how to be an effective one. Since you're a homeowner association, you should also be taking a look at IC 32-25.5, a homeowner association law that was enacted in 2009. It applies to HOAs established on or after July 1, 2009, so if your community's older, the homeowners have to vote on whether they want to be governed by it. Even if they don't, there are some guidelines that could be useful for your community to adopt.

Here's a link for you to take a look at - http://eadsmurraypugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/indiana-hoa-act.pdf. There have been a few amendments to the law since it was passed, so you'll also want to look at the state legislature website which has the Indiana code on it, along with a search engine where you can type in homeowner association to see what they are.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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