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DonM17 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Board has decided to limit rental time to 2 years, then you have to sell or move back in.

HOA Townhomes Florida

Does this go in By-laws or Covenants
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Rental restrictions must go into the covenants to withstand legal challenges.

You should also run the exact wording by the Association attorney.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think that is in reverse. Typically it is that you must own a home for 2 years prior to renting it out. Tenants have rights. Which means the owner can't just randomly toss someone out the house nor the HOA.

I would not agree with 2 year time limit on rentals. I would agree with owning for 2 years before renting it out...

Former HOA President
DonM17 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
They will additionally but in you must live in your home for two years before you can rent.
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/01/2017 8:06 AM
I think that is in reverse. Typically it is that you must own a home for 2 years prior to renting it out. Tenants have rights. Which means the owner can't just randomly toss someone out the house nor the HOA.

I would not agree with 2 year time limit on rentals. I would agree with owning for 2 years before renting it out...

For whatever reason, the 2 year rental restrictions then you must sell, is very common here. My old building had it too, but mine didn't enforce it.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Don as you are town homes does your HOA use Section 720 or Section 718?

Section 720 does not limit at this time but could change and might be more easily challenged in court due to Section 718 states:

FS 718.110(13) Any amendment restricting unit owners' rights relating to the rental of units applies only to unit owners who consent to the amendment and unit owners who purchase their units after the effective date of that amendment.

http://www.hoa-condoblog.com/EGBlog22414.html

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Don this article is also interesting ... states if changing do as soon as possible before potential upcoming legislation changes if fall under Section 720:

http://www.floridacondohoalawblog.com/2017/01/articles/rental-2/florida-associations-should-consider-amending-rental-provisions-now-call-alert-for-january-13-2017/

DonM17 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
720
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/01/2017 7:57 AM
Rental restrictions must go into the covenants to withstand legal challenges.

You should also run the exact wording by the Association attorney.

Actually, in Florida you must have an attorney draft the wording. To do otherwise constitutes the unlicensed practice of law. See the bottom of page 15 here: http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/2015/sc13-889.pdf The drafting of documents and amendments that affect substantial rights of homeowners must be drafted by licensed attorneys in Florida. Florida attorneys work overtime to protect their cookie jar.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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The linked article above regarding the possibility of new legislation in Florida is alarmist without any real justification.

There was one bill in the 2016 legislative session, not "a number of bills", that included a provision to bring FS 720 in line with the FS 718 condo law. It provided for existing owners to be grandfathered into whatever the old pre-amendment restrictions were.

Also, SB 188 applies to local laws, ordinances and regulations that restrict rentals. Nothing about HOAs which have always been able to enforce more stringent provisions than what local laws allow.

With the Florida legislature's epic track record of passing laws to make life in HOAs more tolerable, I wouldn't be too worried about this http://www.ccfj.net/prioritybills16.htm. In fact, my HOA is now considering rental restrictions and the possibility of new legislation in this area is not driving any sense of urgency here. Of course, we are committed to grandfathering in existing owners anyway, so the possibility that that might become law is of no consequence to us.
JoyceR2 (Virginia)
Posts: 156
Posted:
Tim???

Do you know.....

If any VA condo laws require that when you purchase a condo you have to live in the property for any specific amount of time before you can rent it? If so where is this stated?

Thanks,
Joyce
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:

Hi Joyce ... You should start a new thread with your question. The Original Poster on this thread is from Florida which is not your state. It is best if we can keep questions from various states on separate threads.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By GenoS on 02/01/2017 3:23 PM
Actually, in Florida you must have an attorney draft the wording. To do otherwise constitutes the unlicensed practice of law. See the bottom of page 15 here: http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/2015/sc13-889.pdf The drafting of documents and amendments that affect substantial rights of homeowners must be drafted by licensed attorneys in Florida. Florida attorneys work overtime to protect their cookie jar.


Geno,

I think you have taken this out of context. The question before the court was whether certain services routinely performed by a state-licensed CAM for a fee constitutes the unauthorized practice of law. The court certainly went overboard to protect lawyers' interests but, for God's sake, if an association lacks the internal talent to draft their own documents I would rather see them pay a real attorney to do the work instead of a wanna-be.

I was most amused by the following passage on page 16:
"Further, in Florida Bar v. Town, 174 So. 2d 395 (Fla. 1965), the Court held
that a nonlawyer may not prepare bylaws, articles of incorporation, and other
documents necessary to the establishment of a corporation, or amendments to such
documents."

In Arizona, the Corporation Commission provides a simple one-page form to create a corporation. Fill out, sign it, and pay the fee to become a full-fledged corporation. I do not recall seeing any place on the form for an attorney to sign it, so how would someone know whether an attorney drafted it?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Quote:
Posted By JoyceR2 on 02/21/2017 7:59 PM
Tim???

Do you know.....

If any VA condo laws require that when you purchase a condo you have to live in the property for any specific amount of time before you can rent it? If so where is this stated? Joyce

Joyce,

There are no Virginia statutes to address this.

Any rental restrictions would be within the Association governing documents.
Virginia does give you three days to review those documents and, if you don't like what you read, cancel the sale with no penalty.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 02/21/2017 11:59 PM
Posted By GenoS on 02/01/2017 3:23 PM
Actually, in Florida you must have an attorney draft the wording. To do otherwise constitutes the unlicensed practice of law. See the bottom of page 15 here: http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/2015/sc13-889.pdf The drafting of documents and amendments that affect substantial rights of homeowners must be drafted by licensed attorneys in Florida. Florida attorneys work overtime to protect their cookie jar.


Geno,

I think you have taken this out of context. The question before the court was whether certain services routinely performed by a state-licensed CAM for a fee constitutes the unauthorized practice of law. The court certainly went overboard to protect lawyers' interests but, for God's sake, if an association lacks the internal talent to draft their own documents I would rather see them pay a real attorney to do the work instead of a wanna-be.

I was most amused by the following passage on page 16:
"Further, in Florida Bar v. Town, 174 So. 2d 395 (Fla. 1965), the Court held
that a nonlawyer may not prepare bylaws, articles of incorporation, and other
documents necessary to the establishment of a corporation, or amendments to such
documents."

In Arizona, the Corporation Commission provides a simple one-page form to create a corporation. Fill out, sign it, and pay the fee to become a full-fledged corporation. I do not recall seeing any place on the form for an attorney to sign it, so how would someone know whether an attorney drafted it?


LOL ... Another reason very glad my mom did not purchase her vacation home in FL. I told her when looking if she purchased one in FL still under Developer control I would put my foot up her tail end. FL over protects Developers, Attorneys, etc. above Citizens and Secured Creditors who spend many hundreds of thousands on homes. A Developer can initially choose anything under the sun that they want for their development; however, after making their choice they should not be allowed to in essence Defraud Citizens and their Secured Creditors.

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