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PatR2 (Utah)
Posts: 6
Posted:
This forum has already been a great help to me, hopefully I wont abuse it with questions galore, but I do have another one I'm hoping you can help with:

My condo complex has Rules and Regs as well as CC&Rs, whats the difference? Can a rule be created to govern something thats not explicitly spelled out in the CC&R's?

i.e. there is no of using commons areas for, say, football or related activities, can their be a rule stating that you can't play football and if you do the fine is X?

Or more specifically in my case, my unit has a detached garage assigned to it, but its part of the limited commons area. In the CC&R's there is no mention of how the garages can and cannot be used but in the Rules and Regs there is a rule stating that you MUST use your garage for vehicle parking or else be fined (they even threaten to take it away and give it to another unit, but I think its is another question entirely). does one supersede the other, and how?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Pat, The CC&Rs control over the Rules and Regs. Rules and Regulations are often used to further clarify restrictions in the CC&Rs and are enforceable. Since your garage is a limited common area it does not belong to your unit and therefore it is possible that the assignment of that limited common area to your unit may be voided.
PatR2 (Utah)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for the reply, I am reading more and more into these regs before my meeting tonight. In the case of the garage, it may get more complicated, because on the CC&R's my unit shows a 1.22% ownership, signifying that I own a garage share according to the site map. The amendment on the garages seems to read that once assigned to a unit they are for the exclusive use of that unit. The tricky part comes in the form of what it takes to reassign it. If I read correctly, I should need 67% owner consent in order to change the site map.

On another topic, does owning more than 1% of the community mean anything in terms of voting rights?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The CCRs dictate how the common areas are to be used, whereas rules and regulations are usually enacted by the Board to complement the CCRs. For example, if the CCRs say you can't use the common areas for playing football, the board could enact a rule stating those violating the rules may have to pay a fine. The rules can also be used to provide processes - in your example, the rules may call for warning letters to be sent first, fines have to be set by the board and steps for filing an appeal.

Rules cannot contradict the CCRs, but they don't always address every situation, which is why your documents may have language authorizing the board to set rules (go back to your documents and read them to see what they say about that). As a practical matter, communities and lifestyles change, so it's impossible for the CCRs to address everything, nor should they. Some things should be a matter of common sense.

To wit - your community may have this rule because there isn't enough space for street parking. When your community was built it may have had mostly one car owners living there, but today, many people have two or three. People are also using bigger cars than before (SUVs and vans take up a lot of room!) There may also be homeowners who decide to use their garages as pseudo storage units or convert them into rooms - and now they have to store their two or three cars on the street. That makes it difficult for other cars to get through and can cause trouble if the HOA service providers can't park their trucks to do maintenance or repairs. And what happens if there's an emergency and fire trucks or ambulances can't get through either?

Limited common areas are usually the responsibility of the homeowner and the association and there may be additional language in your CCRs stating what the association is responsible for vs. the homeowner. In this case, there may have been an issue with repair bills caused by homeowners who didn't use the garages the way they were intended and so the rule was enacted.

I assume you've spoken to the board about the history of the rule - if so, what was the response? If you haven't, you should. If there are parts of the rule that aren't clear or outdated, the board can always take a look to see if it needs to be adjusted. Hopefully, they'll also poll the homeowners to see what they think. Talk to them and see what they say - you might also want to volunteer to poll the homeowners to see what they think or join a committee to explore the question in detail and it can make recommendations to the board.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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