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CharlesG5 (Florida)
Posts: 60
Posted:
HOA in Florida. We have a board of nine members. One member resigned and there are two candidates up for appointment to the board. There have been two board meetings and the board can not appoint anyone to the board. The vote is always 4 to 4. Our Bylaws do not provide an answer and neither does the Florida Statues. Any suggestions on how to break the tie?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Candidates can agree on a roll of the dice, pick of cards, etc.

Otherwise, neither candidate is appointed and someone should suggest a third.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
You may have to wait until someone changes their vote to break the deadlock. You still have 8 directors and that is (most likely) enough for a quorum, and if you have enough for a quorum there's no state law that mandates vacancies on the board be filled.

For example, if your documents say there should be 3 directors, 1 resigns and the remaining 2 cannot agree on a replacement, you're stuck and if the 2 remaining directors can't agree on anything then nothing gets done and the state doesn't care because 2 is enough for a quorum. We have heard stories from our association attorneys that he has encountered this exact situation. More than once. He described it as a nightmare scenario to deal with.

If your board is getting routinely deadlocked with 4-4 votes then you have my sympathies, and I wish you good luck.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Our bylaws do not give the pres. a vote EXCEPT to break a tie.

Problem be gone
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
We're the exact opposite. Our bylaws say nothing about the president voting only to break ties, but that doesn't stop one vocal homeowner from complaining every time the president votes in a non-tiebreaking situation. I think he used to live in an association that had bylaws like yours, and thinks that's how it should work everywhere.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By GenoS on 01/17/2017 8:07 PM
We're the exact opposite. Our bylaws say nothing about the president voting only to break ties, but that doesn't stop one vocal homeowner from complaining every time the president votes in a non-tiebreaking situation. I think he used to live in an association that had bylaws like yours, and thinks that's how it should work everywhere.

Our bylaws are silent on this too, the topic came up a few years ago. We found that in a small body, such as the board of directors, the president normally has full voting rights. In larger bodies that often isn't the case. A good example is the US Senate where the US VP is the president of the senate, and doesn't vote except to break a tie.

This Robert's Rules of Order FAQ page has a good explanation:
http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Why is there a "tie" about these candidates? Politics should be out of the question.

Split the time up between the two.

It will be for the remainder of the term, anyway.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sues' idea sounds good. Draw straws to see who serves first and then the other will serve the 2nd half of the remaining term.

I'm surprised, too, that Pit's bylaws state that the prez only may vote to break or make a tie. I think that's very unusual for a small board.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ask the two would they feel comfortable ending the tie. Coin toss, cutting a deck of cards, length of their.....you get the idea.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
The issue as I see it is political. It was noted that there is a 4-4 tie on two different candidates, each representing one side or the other.

How is a coin toss going to resolve things. It will shift the balance of power one way or the other.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
The issue as I see it is political. It was noted that there is a 4-4 tie on two different candidates, each representing one side or the other.

How is a coin toss going to resolve things. It will shift the balance of power one way or the other.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By RichardP13 on 01/18/2017 4:14 PM

How is a coin toss going to resolve things.

It resolves the tie.

It does not resolve any differences in how the Association should be operating.
It simply resolves the tie.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Tim

It would be a 4-4 tie to even allow a coin toss. If it was that easy, we would already have 9 justices on the Supreme Court.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Richard,

Not necessarily. The two candidates could agree to a coin toss with the loser removing his/her name from nomination, leaving only one candidate.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Charles,

One other option is to remove the vote from the Board and hold a special membership meeting to vote on a replacement.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Your last point is especially good, Tim. Our bylaws do permit owners to vote to fill a vacancy IF the Board fails to do so. Would cost some $$ and take some time, but would settle the deadlock.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
1. The Candidates can get together and discuss whether or not one or the other could better serve and one withdraw.
2. Put the vote to membership as noted above.

These are the most fair and viable options. This goes to show why most BOD's are an ODD number of members to avoid difficult situations due to a tie.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/19/2017 10:25 AM
Your last point is especially good, Tim. Our bylaws do permit owners to vote to fill a vacancy IF the Board fails to do so. Would cost some $$ and take some time, but would settle the deadlock.

Kerry

Minor point is the BOD is not failing to appoint. They just cannot agree on who. Do not know if this would play a role.

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