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DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
My community has restrictions on vehicles over 1 ton. They are not allowed at all unless they can be parked in the garage with the door closed. And very few can fit in these garages.
But one homeowner drives a semi truck. Hes been parking at the entrance to our subdivision for several years. The management company has been not been diligent about enforcement but would occasionally send him a notice to park elsewhere. He would comply for a while and then start doing it again. He was even so bold as to put gravel in the grassy area so his tires didn't get muddy.
Now we have a new management person(but same company)and new HOA board members who are willing to be more aggressive.
The city also has ordinances about large trucks on residential streets. They are not allowed.
My question is...when do we stop tender-footing with this guy and begin fining him? One of the board members has sought legal advice on forcing him out of the community which is my preference because he's been a nuisance for yrs.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Douglas, I think the most cost-efficient way to deal with this is for the board and/or manager to ask the city to enforce its ordinance. If it refuses, contact your City Councilor and ask for her or his help.

The less efficient way is to establish a system of fines immediately for violations of the HOA's Rules & Regulations. For the fines to be legal, they must represent "due process." Come up with a fair system of fines, including for subsequent infractions of the same rule. Come up with a process for legally giving notice to members. Come up with a process for appealing a to the board. Respect privacy of those fined. If your governing docs allow suspension of voting rights, say for being behind on any assessment (including fines), implement this. Present a draft of your proposal for fining, noticing, and appealing and submit it to your HOA attorney. While this may not be efficient at the moment, having this in place will help subsequent boards with problem members.

Do not try to force anyone from the community using any other means. Your board has to follow the law, which means it has to follow the governing documents.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
The city is only concerned that the semi truck is not on the street and not blocking the sidewalk. Any HOA violation is up to the association to deal with.
The man has moved his truck to where the back half is in his garage but the front half is in the driveway but the garage door will not close. A clear violation of HOA bylaws.
But the city doesn't have jurisdiction from this point. The property management company needs to begin fining him to force compliance.
But I heard today the trucker home owner is threatening to sue the Association. But another bylaw clearly states that a homeowner is liable for any legal fees the Association incures.
Also, as a truck driver with a CDL(commercial drivers license) he is responsible for making sure his truck is legally parked at all times. Which means he could lose his CDL and his livelihood.
It seems the man is playing with legal fire from all angles. But he seems to have a sense that he's entitled to break the rules.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The management company isn't to fine the owner for the violations. The HOA should be. Unless your contract with the management company has it so that they fine owners. Plus you can't "evict" an owner nor a renter in your HOA. You can lien or foreclose on a home for NON-payment of DUES. (Not fines etc...).

Now your HOA has to have the right to fine and it has to be defined. Which has not been established yet. Our HOA we do not fine. We instead fix the violation and send the owner the bill for doing so. If they don't pay that bill then we lien for that. In your case, not sure what you all could do as the vehicle is parked in the garage or their property.

I say start working on a fining process in your HOA if you want this cleared up and to fine. Find out if you can have the vehicle towed. The city can do it's part if it falls under their jurisdiction.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I doubt, along with Melissa, that the Property Mgr. can fine the Owner. The Board generally must vote to fine someone, but cannot unless your documents permit the HOA to fine and the violations that can generate fines are spelled out. It also might be that your documents or your state require that this owner be called to a hearing concerning his reacted violations.

So....what do yours say, Douglas, about fines? Are you on the board?

I doubt too that the Board of directors ("the HOA") can evict anyone, Owner or tenant. Some documents say that the Board can remove common area amenities privileges, e.g. access to a swimming pool or gym, if Owners don't comply with the rules. Ours do. What do your say, Douglas?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
I'll agree with the others that it would be very unusual for an association to evict a homeowner or force them to sell, the best thing to do is enforce the rules.

Note that the board runs the association, the management company works at the direction of the board. That means the board is the one that has to stand behind the enforcement, even if the MC handles the correspondence and legwork.

Ignore the threat to sue, people make that threat all the time and rarely follow through. Even if he does sue, I doubt that he has much chance of prevailing, given the info you've provided.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DouglasK1 on 12/27/2016 4:10 PM
I'll agree with the others that it would be very unusual for an association to evict a homeowner or force them to sell . . . .

Below * links to a 2011 Tennessee appeals court decision upholding a judicial order for forced sale of unit & expulsion of the owner. This was brought forward as a "not too common" American example in an upcoming law journal to be published in my jurisdiction.

( Concern is raised - in the absence of U.S. 5th & 14th Amendment property protections - that some anti-social expulsions were successfully obtained because of mental illness or some sort of disability eg several children with disturbing autism; a caregiver with a bad temper; a boozy racist attitude; flat out paranoid bio-hazards etc. More than a dozen unit sales & personal expulsions have been ordered by courts in that researcher's jurisdiction & mine since 2008. a 2008 one is almost identical to the Tennessee eviction of 2011 )

* "TENNESSEE court upheld a judicial EXPULSION/ UNIT SALE for hoarding/ biohazards/obstruction"

http://ontario.cafcor.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=46&func=view&catid=11&id=18652#18652

DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Douglask1...
I am not a board member. But I've spoken with two of three elected board members and mngmt company. The mngmt company says the truck is a violation of the bylaws and the Association has the right to tow the vehicle at owners expense after sufficient notices and warnings have been issued.
The head board member I spoke with has his own atty and says the owner can be forced out. But that could take years of litigation.

At this point I'm sick of the whole thing and have decided that I will sell come spring time. I thought an HOA community would be a great place to live but now I hate coming home. I'm embarrassed to have guests over to see the entrance looking like a truck stop.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So, DouglasN.

Did the 2 board members say why they aren't enforcing your HOA's rules??? Did you even ask them that question? Do you personally know if your HOA has a fining system and procedures in place? In many HOAs, fines can be doubled if the violators repeat the violations. This gets violators' attention in my HOA, I promise you.

Does your board have open meetings that Owners can attend?? If so, attend and take a few other owners with you who dislike this eyesore. If the Board only has closed meetings, maybe you can get signatures on a letter to the Board demanding that they enforced your rules. At the very least you can write to the whole board c/o your property mgr. asking them to take action. Simply speaking to a couple of board members rarely is effective.

Have you even looked at your governing documents to see what you personally can do? Most, for instance, say that Owners themselves can enforce the restrictions via court action. Your would find this right of yours in your CC&Rs (aka: covenants; restrictions; declaration).

The thing is, DouglasN, that you'll have trouble selling if prospective buyers see that eyesore she they come to preview your home. You need to take action and not sit back hoping someone here or elsewhere will rescue you. Tough talk, but true.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
The board members agree that the truck is an eyesore. They claim they have attempted to enforce the rules by sending notices and warnings. The truck will be gone for a few weeks then he starts parking there again.

I've heard mention of fines but that hasn't happened yet. God knows why since its been going on for over a year.

I've looked at the governing doctrines which clearly define the regulations. But a system for fines is vague.

Board meetings are open. The members and owners seem more concerned with flower beds than the semi truck. Its been discussed but action has been tepid.

Property values have declined. The city I live in is experiencing rising values but my neighborhood has seen only modest increases in relation to adjacent subdivisions. In my opinion its entirely due to the association not keeping up the standards. Its too bad. Its could be and once was a nice place with stylish townhomes.

I've tried to post pictures but the website says jpg images are not allowed.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Home values are NOT part of the HOA responsibility. It is the HOME ATTRACTIVENESS the HOA is responsible for. You want to make your home more ATTRACTIVE to potential buyers so that they will purchase your home. Home VALUES are based on REAL numbers. Those are houses that have sold/foreclosed in a few mile radius of the home of similar size and bd/ba options.

I did not buy a house because I hated the wallpaper. Did that make the house VALUE plummet? No. It just made the house less ATTRACTIVE to me to buy. It's the same in a HOA. The appearance of the homes leaves an impression on POTENTIAL buyers if they perceive it is of good value. The reality is once you get the financing, that is when the bank decides what the actual home value is. Doesn't mean the actual asking price.

Former HOA President
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
As you say,the association is responsible for enforcing rules that keep the community attractive. An attractive well maintained community is always in demand (ceteris paribus). It doesn't matter that the interior of one unit is horrendous as the neighbors and prospective buyers will only see the units that are for sale.
If the horrendously decorated unit comes on the market it will be scooped up quickly as a potential diamond in the rough. Not affecting values next door.
So in my case anyway, the association is responsible for stagnant home prices because the rules that protect the overall exterior attractiveness have not been diligently enforced.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If letters haven't worked and you really don't have a fining schedule or protocol for imposing them, it's probably time to go ahead and sue the guy for violating the CCRs. Sometimes a lawsuit is what's necessary to get people to behave themselves.

In the meantime, suggest that your board send a letter to the homeowners about rule enforcement in general, reminding everyone that when they moved into a HOA, they agreed to comply with the rules. The board should admit that some (most?) rules haven't been enforced as consistently as they should have been, but starting now, that's going to change. Tell the homeowners the board is looking into establishing a fine system and would like their input on whether this is a good idea, how much fines should be, which violations warrant a fine, how the appeals process should run, etc. They can even ask homeowners what type of violations are especially vexing - those could be the areas where more stringent enforcement can begin. Be sure to use your website to post this information, if you have one. Hopefully, the homeowners will see the board is trying to be fair - and send a message to those who don't seem to think rules apply to them (like this guy).

Finally, be prepared for pushback, whether it comes from the truck driver or someone else. Our association attorney served on a rule enforcement panel at our local CAI meeting and commented when boards decide to crack down, there will always be people who will screech about selective enforcement and "my rights are being violated" and whatnot. However, if you stand your ground and continue to enforce the rules consistently and fairly, sooner or later, the naysayers will pip down. Sure, they might vote you out too, but that can happen anyway. Bottom line is, everyone yells about "property values", and they have to understand if they want them to increase, everyone needs to cooperate in complying with the rules designed to make the community more attractive, as Melissa noted. If there's a rule no one likes or needs to be tweaked, the CCRs provide instructions on how those can be amended.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sheila has offered you excellent advice, Douglas. As you can see, it takes effort on your part. You might, for instance, offer to volunteer to help by, for instance, starting a questionnaire to go to Owners or by working with your property mgr. on one.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Thanks to all of you for your good advice.
I'll keep you informed as this progresses.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Greetings all,
There has been progress on the matter. The nuisance truck owner has been complying. But it seems we concerned HOA members must be diligent. Now we have a group of rebels who are always testing the waters. Just a few jerks that bring their big work trucks home (not big semi trucks but still very large with heavy equipment) to poke a stick in the eye of the rest of us who care about rules and keeping up the neighborhood.
I've been informed that these guys are all renters. But the new board has come up with a system of fining violations.
The HOA is also taking steps to limit rentals thru various means.
Which I fully support.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
And so the pushback begins. Keep on enforcing the rules and make sure you do it fairly - eventually, the jerks will get the message, especially if you hammer the homeowners who are renting the houses out, which is what you should do. Homeowner/landlords have to be held to the same standard as owner occupants - it's their job to keep their tenants in check. If they want to deal with the headaches of fines, possible lawsuits and perhaps damage to the streets that heavy trucks can cause, so be it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sheila's right--keep the pressure on the OWNERS.

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