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DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
Our Declaration explicitly states three types of easement:
1. Encroachments created by construction, and parts of a building that contribute to the support of another building.
2. Utilities.
3. Other (workers hired by HOA, emergency personnel, allowed to enter property)

Other necessary easements are not explicitly stated. For example, a neighbor having an easement to walk across the neighbor's back yard to access their own back yard. Or an easement for a neighbor to stand on the neighbor's property or place a ladder in order to wash or replace his house's siding, or walk on neighbor's roof in order to repair his own roof.

So, if a homeowner ordered workers off his property in cases such as these, or refused to allow access, would he be justified?

The section of our Declaration that (the reading is unclear to me) may pertain to maintenance, at least, says:

Section 1. Encroachments. Each Lot shall be subject to an easement for encroachments created by construction, settling and overhangs as designed or constructed by the Declarant. A valid easement for said encroachments and for the maintenance of same, so long as they stand, shall and does exist. In the event that any building is partially or totally destroyed and then rebuilt, any Owner of a Lot so affected agrees that minor encroachments of parts of the adjacent building due to construction shall be permitted and that a valid easement for said encroachments and the maintenance thereof shall exist. Every portion of a building contributing to the support of an abutting building shall be burdened with an easement of support for the benefit of such abutting building.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Donna,

Are your homes what are sometimes called "zero-lot-line?" Meaning that the home is built with one wall on the property line. In that case, you would have eaves that overhang onto the neighboring yard and a need to occasionally enter the neighbor's yard to paint your wall or do other maintenance.

This kind of development is not common in my area although my wife and I did look at one such home several years ago.
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
The townhouses are joined in groups of 6 to 10 and all the townhouses have shared walls that coincide with the lot lines on each side of a lot. So the houses also have shared fences on each side in back. Eaves don't overhang onto neighboring properties, but an outside side wall can face the neighbor's property and only be accessible from the neighbor's property.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Donna

Typically in a townhouse arrangement the HOA does all outside maintenance thus no need for one to be on the roof, a ladder against the wall, etc. That said, I would say one would be allowed to encroach (as in an easement) to do maintenance if it is required of them. I would also say they would be responsible for any damage they do.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 12/09/2016 2:55 PM
Donna

Typically in a townhouse arrangement the HOA does all outside maintenance thus no need for one to be on the roof, a ladder against the wall, etc. That said, I would say one would be allowed to encroach (as in an easement) to do maintenance if it is required of them. I would also say they would be responsible for any damage they do.


John,

That is not typical for townhomes in Virginia.

There are Townhomes that are condos and all outside maintenance is done by the Association.
There are townhomes that are fee-simple and all outside maintenance is done by the owner
There are townhomes that are fee-simple and the outside maintenance is shared between the owner and Association.
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
That is not the case here. Homeowners are responsible for maintaining their private property, including outside.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Donna,

Please remind me, are you in a condominium complex or an HOA?

Is your rear yard your property or simply exclusive use common area?
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
We are a HOA. Backyards are the property of the homeowner. In most places there is an alley or strip of common property behind the backyards, but in a few places there is not.

Some situations that I have seen:

Before I was on the board, I was living in a next-to-last townhouse and one day noticed my neighbor in the end unit in his back yard going over plans with a builder. Just to be on the safe side, I went out and asked him what was being planned and asked if he was going to extend his fence. Yes, he said, he was. I asked him to please leave a way for me to access the back of my house, and added that I thought it was required by the HOA. He was not pleased because he had his heart set on what he had planned, but he inquired with the HOA and found that I was right. So he left access to cross his property. (There actually is common property behind our property lines, but it slopes down steeply and can't be used.) That ended without hard feelings, as he was a reasonable man.

I was told informally that a homeowner in the neighborhood was having work done on his roof a couple months ago, and the workmen stood on the neighboring roof at some point. The owner of that home went ballistic and caused all kinds of grief which I won't go into, but it was a police matter. The workmen did not cause any damage to the neighbor's house.

A dispute arose between two neighbors because (almost the same situation as the first one above) a homeowner in an end unit asked their neighbor to stop walking through their back yard. But there was no other way for the neighbor to access her own back yard, as there was no common area behind their property lines. The board's part in this quarrel was simply to tell the end unit owner that she had to let the neighbor cross her property because everyone was entitled to access the back of their property. A little awareness ahead of time probably could have averted a very unpleasant quarrel between these two neighbors.

There was another he-touched-my-roof issue in which a new roof was being installed, the homeowners having the work done asked permission of the neighbor, who said "Sure"--and then the wife came home, blew up, and ordered the workers off her roof.

Oh the humanity.

So I've been looking at what's explicit in the Declaration, and it seems insufficient.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Well,

The Association can adopt a guideline about fences, specifying 3 feet short of the rear property line. All current fences must comply with this guideline when replaced. That can be done without changing the governing docs and may avoid the issues you have encountered about fences.

The Board should also adopt a policy about shared fences (who will pay, who is cited when the Association determines it's not in good repair, etc.).

Most workers for town home roofs need to access the neighboring roof at some point. This typically isn't an issue if the neighbors let neighbors work will be done (a simple newsletter article).

Hope this helps,

Tim
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
Yes, thanks.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> A valid easement for said encroachments and for the maintenance of same, so long as they stand, shall and does exist.

This appears to allow encroachments for maintenance and does NOT appear to limit this to the Declarant only.

That is: if my contractor needs to place a ladder on your property to maintain my house, that would be allowable. At least in my reading.
DonnaR5
Posts: 162
Posted:
Yes, my reading is the same, although I think most homeowners reading the document would not be able to make heads or tails of it.

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