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MikeD16 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Hello,
My name is Mike, I had my new dream home built last year in a small neighborhood (currently 29 homes with 6 to 8 open lots still available). I fully understood that I was moving into a neighborhood with an HOA. Currently the HOA is still under developer control. I have been here a year, my dues for the first two years were paid at my closing.

When I met with developer/builder prior to the construction start, I requested a corner lot with a rear driveway to the basement level single car garage for my 16 ft. enclosed trailer. I was charged $2500 for this request. We discussed the covenants language that states, "Recreational vehicles, trailer, work related vehicles, boats and such shall be parked in garages, or to the rear of lot so as not to be in plain view of the street." We discussed that the corner lot would make that difficult. He and I agreed that we use fencing and landscaping to reduce the visibility of trailer.

Construction was completed and we moved in. This was a trying time. The builder was extremely difficult to work with and our relationship quickly soured, to put it nicely. We did not put fence or trees in prior to closing due to the extreme dislike for each other and the fact that he left half of the front yard and all of the side and rear yards with no sod. He stated that our contract only included 8 pallets of sod. We decided that we would have the sod added/completed after we moved in.

Within 2 months of moving in I received a violation letter concerning my trailer, which I fully expected. However it came from a lawyer and very aggressively stated that I had 20 days to accomplish. I emailed his office asking for clarification and written options to move forward. The response I received simply stated two options. Move trailer or submit plans for landscaping and fencing. We did this. We actually also submitted plans for better parking pad for the trailer. The new proposed plan put the trailer to the rear of lot and at the wood line, (we have a wooded section of back yard). All plans we submitted were approved 45 days later. We proceeded with the parking pad, 5ft-4 rail fence and 12 trees (7 to 8 FT). I forgot to mention that he provided a letter (at our request prior to closing) concerning the trailer. It states, "you as the buyer of -- ----- circle have permission from ----- ---- LLC and the covenants therein, to park a trailer behind your home, so long as it is not in plain view of the street">

Well after all the work was completed and the trailer was parked on the pad, we did not hear from him for almost a year.

We have been asking him to stop pouring the excess concrete and construction debris on the 3 lots across the street from us.
He so very eloquently told me to pound sand. He stated that the lot was the designated dump lot until the neighborhood was completed.
I am in the construction trade and know better. After a year of watching it get worse and worse, OI contacted the County. They came out and informed him that he could not do this and must clean it up. The also informed him that he had to install concrete was out station. He immediately called me and left a very aggressive voicemail. I did not respond. A month went by with very little attempts to rectify.
After I watched 4 more concrete trucks dump and clean out the trucks on the third lot, which is a common area lot with retention pond below, I called the EPA and filed a complaint. They came out and discussed his options and requirements. This made him call and leave another few voicemails and threats to go to my jobs and try to shut them down. At this time he also left me a "verbal warning" about me violating the HOA covenants with my trailer.

Three weeks have passed with no formal violation until now. In those three weeks had the sod completed in front rear and side yards along with front flower beds redone. I received a new violation that states the trailer must be moved and remain out of view of the street. He also stated that "No landscaping plans were submitted or approved for the front of my lot. Landscaping must be restored to its original form within 20 days" This would mean that I remove the sod (half my front yard) and leave it as dirt.

I have walked my neighborhood and spoken with neighbors.
I have been informed that there has never been an HOA meeting (formed in 2007).
There has been very few violations sent out.
All were in retaliation to crossing the builder/developer in any way.
Last year all home owners received bills for HOA fees for the first time since closing. Some were 9 years worth of fees.
At least half I spoke with have stated that is as if we have no HOA. Many have submitted requested street light, entrance light repairs, with no action or repairs. This is about the only community thing we have in neighborhood. No pool, no clubhouse etc.
At least 4 other owners have installed new sod, multiple trees etc. without plans or approvals.
Not one neighbor is offend by my yard/landscaping or trailer parking. All have stated that my landscaping makes the corner lot look so much better than when I moved in and is one of the best looking maintained property in the neighborhood.

Finally, the new concrete wash out station on the lot across from me was fist installed with an 8 FT x 4ft sign.LOL
After the county informed him that the sign ordinance would not allow such a large sign, he took it down and installed two 4FT x 4FT signs. He may as well have the signs say "eff you Mike" LOL Apparently the sign ordinance allows for two. The county has told that they can not be in the Right of way". Good grief. All this because he is angry that wanted the illegal dumping to stop.

My questions are:
Do the covenants typically apply to the developer/builder?
Is this normal for an HOA?
Are the harassing phone messages acceptable?
Are the retaliatory HOA violations acceptable?

I don't want to move. I work hard for this place and my Family loves it here.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We tend to tell it like it is here. So please do not be offended. It's not meant to be mean or in a hurtful manner. We here over time have learned to "read between the lines" as it's hard to see both sides of the story. Especially if your the one telling it. So that being said I do have a few "hard truths" to tell just to be helpful.

The sodding of the front yard being "incomplete". When you are closing on a newly built house, the bank ONLY requires that the yard be sodded/seeded FRONT yard. It does NOT include the side yard nor the back. So your developer was not wrong in only giving you the 8 pallets of sod. He was not obligated to sod or seed your entire yard for your bank to close the loan. A fact that I learned when building a house with my now ex-fiancé. The day of his closing we and his friends were out in the front yard at 6 am in the morning laying sod in the front yard. I know the pain of sod...

The truth is your HOA is still under developer control and NOT homeowner. Which basically turns all your rights to null and void. Until your HOA is turned over to the owners, your basically at the developers whims and wishes. The developer can enforce the rules he wants until the turnover. My advice. Find a storage place that will take the trailer until the HOA is turned over to the owners. Once that is done, then I would suggest you all get together to modify your rules (By-laws, ACC, CC&R's, and Articles of Incorporation)to remove references to the developer and change the rules ya do/do not want.

Your place is still under development which means your going to have to deal with the construction debris. It will go away eventually. The developer will then have to make the proper steps on the clean up of that site. I would lay off reporting them to the county to get him off your back. It's just causing everyone stress.

Just ride this out and start concentrating on plans for the transition. Which will be happening soon. You all may not like being hit with a HOA dues bill. However, a HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. So when that turn over happens, ya do want to have some money in your HOA budget. What will all you do later when you all have to pay dues and people stop paying? Will you have the same attitude?

Hope giving you some line reading wasn't discouraging. Welcome to living in a HOA world. It's not just your world anymore... It's yours and everyone who lives with you...

Former HOA President
MikeD16 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thank you for the reply. Not offended at all. The trailer isn't the end of the world. Just questioning the approval and acceptance of it for a year then the new violation.

My point with the HOA dues was that the HOA has not billed or collected for 8 years then all of sudden back billing owners. Is that normal? I have no problem with HOA or dues. I actually wanted one after my last neighborhood experiences.

It appears that the current HOA is run like a dictatorship with one man at the helm. He chooses who to violate and is very selective.
The first house as we enter the neighborhood has a trailer parked next to house. Most definitely "within plain view of the street".

As far as my sod goes, there is well over 5 other homes who have done front yard work without HOA involvement, Yet I am expected to remove the sod and restore the dirt?

I asked if the covenants apply to him because they clearly state that the front yard must have sod to the curb, yet he left half my front yard without. I do not have issue with the 8 pallets allotted during the construction. I have exception with his request to remove sod.

That seems like it would work against the very nature of an HOA. Seems to me that the better my yard looks the better off we as a neighborhood are. I know most of my neighbors hated the halfway finished look it had prior to my sod install.
MikeD16 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I am left pondering how we as homeowners have no rights or say in the HOA. You are basically telling me that until the HOA is turned over that it is his kingdom to rule as he sees fit?

Also left pondering how it is that county ordinances and federal laws do not apply to him?
How is he above the law?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA doesn't necessarily send you a "bill". It's kind of one of those understood things to describe it best. Now some HOA's do send out various methods of "bills". It may be a coupon, an actual bill, or request to sign up for automatic payments. Each HOA is different in their methods of collection and notifying owners. Our HOA, the payment box was at the mailbox for the whole HOA. Everyone got their mail there and the payment box had "HOA dues" sign on it. We had a 6 months behind we lien policy and a 1 year behind we CONSIDERED foreclosure. So owners were well aware of the payment policy and consequences without sending out actual pieces of paper.

What kind of sod did you lay down? Our HOA it has to be Bermuda sod only. It can't be fescue or other varieties. Although one time I laid down some Zoysia and never heard the end of it. The landscapers had a deal on it and it was just to cover up repairs. Which Zoysia is also a Bermuda grass but it's even more expensive. (Used on golf courses). In our state of Alabama grass is mostly Bermuda or Fescue. Bermuda and Fescue are not alike. So it's important that if you plant Bermuda in a close neighborhood, you ALL plant Bermuda. Our hot environment Bermuda grass is much more preferred option for it's ability to choke out weeds and take the heat. Fescue greens earlier and can require more mowing.

So not sure what type of sod you laid down. I've learned ALOT about sod and types of grass. A side effect of being President of a HOA and by building houses with Habitat for Humanity. You learn more about construction and landscaping you ever wanted to know...

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
BTW... Your Developer isn't above the law (local, state, or federal). He is in charge of the HOA rules. If you read them, he's got the voting power. Not that you all don't but the developer has 2 times as much. So you pretty much can't do much in voting him out or a board in.

Keep in mind there is also the trickle down effect of reporting your Developer and their violations. Report them and eventually it will rain on you and your neighbors. It gets too hot or expensive, they may leave you all high and dry with a HOA you can't touch at all. It's not like if they claim bankruptcy or sell it to another developer, the HOA becomes yours the owners. It has to be legally transferred to you and your neighbors by whoever owns it. If your lucky and they want to walk away, then they may just do that.

It's sounds bad if you put it in that kind of light. Otherwise, the light I put it in. It's ALL their responsibility and fault. I just live here until I get to participate. Once you find out what it's like to be on a HOA board or officer, you may see the developer under a little more light... than shade...

Former HOA President
MikeD16 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I installed Bermuda, to match and complete the front yard that the builder had started. Not my favorite, but wanted to match the other homes.
MikeD16 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I am reading the covenants. Quite a bit. LOL
I understand class A and class B members and voting rights.
Ours states-
"Class B member(s) shall be the developer and shall be entitled to three votes for each lot owned. The class B membership shall cease and be converted to Class A membership (1 vote per lot) on the happening of either of the following events."

(a) When the total votes outstanding in the Class A membership equal the total outstanding votes in the Class B membership: or
(b) Seven years from the date of this Declaration: or
(c) When in its discretion, developer so determines

(a) I am not sure how many lots he owns
(b) date on covenants say "This declaration, made this 12th day of July, 2007
(c) LOL

So now what is the proper path?

MikeD16 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
If I am correct in the declaration date that means he has one vote per lot.
If all that being true, would we be able to vote on the removal of my yard?

Is there a requirement for HOA meetings?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By MikeD16 on 12/04/2016 9:20 AM
I am left pondering how we as homeowners have no rights or say in the HOA. You are basically telling me that until the HOA is turned over that it is his kingdom to rule as he sees fit?

Also left pondering how it is that county ordinances and federal laws do not apply to him?
How is he above the law?


He gets away with it because home buyers are a bunch of whining flaccid weenies. Why have you not retained an attorney and taken this developer to court? This is a civil matter that should addressed in civil court.

JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
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Posted By MikeD16 on 12/04/2016 9:46 AM

Ours states-
"Class B member(s) shall be the developer and shall be entitled to three votes for each lot owned. The class B membership shall cease and be converted to Class A membership (1 vote per lot) on the happening of either of the following events."

(a) When the total votes outstanding in the Class A membership equal the total outstanding votes in the Class B membership: or
(b) Seven years from the date of this Declaration: or
(c) When in its discretion, developer so determines

(a) I am not sure how many lots he owns
(b) date on covenants say "This declaration, made this 12th day of July, 2007
(c) LOL

So now what is the proper path?


It would appear that the period of developer control is over. Your documents indicate that the developer's votes go to 1 vote per lot when either (a) or (b) or (c), and event (b) has happened.

Did I miss something? Find out how many lots he owns, follow your bylaws, call a meeting of the members (owners) and vote in your own board. What are you waiting for?

The developer has a lawyer, so you should also get one.

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