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WildD (Georgia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Does anyone on here use CMA for property Mngt? We currently use them for a HOA of about 100 homes. I just want to get an idea of how they do their reserve accounting for you. We are now at the point were we can put money into our reserve account for future expenditures, but all they are doing is lumping it all into one savings account. The transfers are itemized on the budget and on the monthly statements for the different items, but once the money is transferred, there is no real accounting for it on the savings side....So for example, without doing some math and looing back at a few years of the budget, say 5 to 6 years down the road we would not know what sums of money are set aside to save for what items. There would just be a big sum of money in the reserve account not knowing how much was set aside for each individual item....
Just want to know if this is normal or not and if anyone uses them...

Make Sense??

Thx

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If this is a property management company, posting rules prohibit using real names of businesses, communities, etc.

Now regarding your reserves, that should have been set up as a separate account, and from what you describe,that's what they did. Our community had a separate account for reserves and we received an income/expense statement every month. The income portion listed the total amount of deposits, interest earned, and of course the total, while the expense section lists the reserves items. Nothing goes in those line items until the money's spent and then there would be a line item showing the transfer from reserves to the operating budget (the associations checking account) and there would be a line item under the appropriate common area or building maintenance with that expense.

You may want to ask your property manager for more information on how reserves accounting is done. If you have a reserves study, your reserve specialist may also be able to give you some guidance on how this is done.

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WildD (Georgia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Ok sorry. I tried to edit the post but could not see how to do it.

So as far as your income/expense statement for your reserve account, are the monthly deposits just shown as deposits into 1 line item, or are they divided
up and deposited into separate line items for each reserve expense. We have separate line item deposits each month for various items into the reserve fund, but once it's in the separate reserve account we have no idea what money is allocated to what...
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
If i am understanding your question correctly, the balance in this account should be showing up on your Balance Sheet. Are you getting a Balance Sheet reported to your Association?

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Wild,

My Association uses the component level method when dealing with Reserves.
We provide a spreadsheet showing each component additions and withdrawals, as well as a Reserve account summary. However, our financial report only shows the deposits made to the account with expenses grouped into broader categories (playground vs. swingset, slide, etc.).

However, each method has it's own advantages and disadvantages.

There is the component level method (also known as straight lining), which allocates a certain amount to each component. This results in the need for higher reserves but better prepares the Association for the unexpected.

The Cash flow method treats the reserves as one big pot of money. As long as there is enough money in the account when needed everything is good. This method allows the Association to maintain a lower Reserve balance but may require a special assessment if the unexpected occurs (item planned to be replaced in 2020 needs replaced in 2017).

To learn more see:

Reserve Studies Component Method vs. Cash Flow Analysis

Choosing Between Straight Line and Cash Flow Funding

CASH FLOW VERSUS THE COMPONENT METHOD

Also see:

Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101 a thread on this forum (some of the earlier broken links are corrected later in the thread).

My suggestion is to read a little of the info I provided and then ask the Association the following:

1) May I have a copy or may I review the reserve study?
2) Does the Association utilize the component or cash flow/straight line method for reserves?
3) Is there a more detailed financial report for the Reserves (and if so, may I have a copy)?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Oh, I forgot to say that even though our Reserve funds are allocated at the component level, the funds are physically deposited into one account (savings).
Our operating funds are deposited into a separate account (checking).

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Wild

Some have their Reserves broken down into many items. Some do not. The more complex the HOA (pools, tennis, parks, etc.) the better it would break it down along the lines of a Reserve study.
WildD (Georgia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
JimB We are getting a balance sheet every month.

I'm actually on the board and just trying to figure out if our accounting is being done correctly.

TimB4 it looks like they do the cash flow method I'm assuming. When I asked out property manager about what you call the component level, she had no idea of what I was talking about. The only reason I posted here was to see what most people use, as the component level looks a lot more transparent as to what the reserve money is allocated towards.

There will be a time where we have 80K to 100K in the reserve funds, and with the method used (cash flow),we won't really know how much of that lump sum is allocated to what reserve expense....

Last question. Why would th3e component level require a higher cash balance?

Thanks
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sorry to say, I didn't read the replies very carefully, Wild. It seems to me you need a reserves study done a by an certified reserves specialists or analyst. CMAs are not qualified to do that work.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Wild,

In the cash flow method, the amount of deposits are determined based on how much is needed for each component. However, the money is considered one big pot and used for which ever component is next in line to be repaired, refurbished or replaced.

All of this is determined by the Reserve study.

That study is the document you need to obtain a copy of (especially if you are on the Board).

If you haven't done so, please take a look at the links to articles and threads that I have provided. The Cash flow method can be very confusing without truly understanding how it works.
RichardB35 (Missouri)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Make sure your association has a reserve study. Simply setting aside funds for non-specific items has pitfalls. Specific allocation of reserve funds to the individual components of the reserve study will generally be a more conservative approach as it theoretically restricts the use of funds to the amount set aside for the specific component. However, my experience is that few associations will adhere to the specific allocation when it comes time to replace components ahead of schedule.

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