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RobC2 (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I am a new owner in a 100 unit condo in Denver, and I have recently become a board member, which is new experience for me.

We have a contract with a management company, and we work with a property manager from that company.

Right now, standard protocol is that when an owner wants to report an issue, they contact our property manager.

As I've gotten to know other owners in my building, I keep hearing them say that when they reach out to our property manager, they do not hear back from the property manager. And one owner told me that he feels that it's more of the management company that runs the show around here, rather that the board. Also, I find our property manager to be not as responsive as I would like to my questions.

At the moment, I'm wondering if we, as the board, should change the current way of doing things by telling the owners to report issues directly the board, rather than the property manager. And then we tell the management company what to do. But I don't want to suggest this before I do my homework, and learn about the advantages and disadvantages of this.

So my question is, is having the owners report problems to the board rather than the management company a bad idea, and if so, why?

Also, if this is a good idea, can anyone recommend a way to do this? For example, should I have people email me directly (not my personal email), or maybe set up a separate email account, where all of us board members periodically check for any emails sent.

*Note: many of us on the board are new, and we are looking into possibly getting a new management company. And I also understand that having issues reported directly to us could be time consuming - but we have quite a few new and eager board members that I think are capable of handling the workload.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Kudos for your willingness to serve, Rob. How many directors are there?

Are your condos all in one building? Is is an elevator building?

Do you each have individual HVAC (AC& Heat) units?

What kind of amenities do you have?

How many hours is the PM on your premises, if any? Is there a MC website where residents can send in work orders?

What does your HOA's contract with the MC say about their duties?

Seems like a lot of questions, I know, but I'm trying to understand your HOA and maybe its needs. We're two condo towers & have a PM onsite 5days a week because we're pretty complicated. But maybe your community doesn't have a lot of needs that you;d want a PM to attend to.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Kudos for your willingness to serve, Rob. How many directors are there?

Are your condos all in one building? Is is an elevator building? Are there boilers sand/or other b pumps & motors that need much attention?

Do you each have individual HVAC (AC& Heat) units? Or is there a central system?

What kinds of amenities do you have?

How many hours is the PM on your premises, if any? Is there a MC website where residents can send in work orders?

What does your HOA's contract with the MC say about their duties? It's possible that your board needs to meet with the MC to clarify the PM's duties.

Seems like a lot of questions, I know, but I'm trying to understand your HOA and maybe its needs. We're two condo towers & have a PM onsite 5 days a week because we're pretty complicated. But maybe your community doesn't have a lot of needs that you'd want a PM to attend to.

RobC2 (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks for the quick reply!

We have 7 board members.

All of our condos are in one building. 12 floors high.

There are two elevators in the building.

Amenities: each unit pays $20 a month to have access to a building that we contract with across the street, where a pool and gym are located. But other than the $20, we aren't responsible for anything. We do have an extra unit/room that we allow owners to rent out for a small fee - and we also have our monthly HOA meetings there. There's also an outdoor patio area that is beautiful and no one ever uses, and could use some updating, and a little more care. We also have a parking garage that we share with two other businesses - and there is a separate HOA that governs that parking structure. In that other HOA, there are 3 members, one of which is now me. I have to catch up to speed on what the responsibilities are between us. I think it's a little unclear.

A review of the PM contract says that the PM does a weekly inspection. Seems high level, does walk-throughs in common areas, etc. Nothing really specific, but it mentions if they are required to come more than once a week, they would charge an hourly rate. They also show up for our monthly HOA meeting, and give updates, go over finances and any other issues. We end up paying about $2300 per month per the contract.

Overall, sometimes I'm not sure whether we need the PM, however, the MC does provide accounting services, and manages our money. And with quite a few us being new to this, I'm not sure if getting rid of them is a good idea just yet. I do plan on attending some courses that are offered by the MC at the beginning of the year, and maybe if I learn enough, at some point I would feel more comfortable not having a PM.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Being in the property management business, and having read your post, I would need to know how many directors or what your amenities are, or any of the other items brought up. You summed it up in your first sentence and that this was a new experience for you.

My suggestion is that the seven board members have an orientation meeting with your management company and your manager, either on-site or at their office. This meeting should educate the board, as many are new, to what their roles are, how the interaction between all parties works, owners, board and management. The meeting should discuss what the manager expects from the board and what the board should expect from the manager and its agents.

I could give you a whole list of items, but I believe it would be in yours and the board's best interest to sit down with all parties involved to fully understand what is expected from each.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
But other than the $20, we aren't responsible for anything.


Y'all own a 12 story 100 unit building.

THINK what it costs to operate and maintain said building.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The owners should be reporting to the management company (that's what you hired them for) - otherwise the board will be swamped with all sorts of questions and confusion can arise if one person reports a problem to you, and then someone reports the same problem to someone else. More confusion may arise when the property manager gets multiple requests from multiple board members, and that can extend to the service provider, possibly increasing repair costs.

What you may need is a new property manager, as it would appear this one has a communication problem. On the other hand, are the owners giving the property manager enough time to respond? If that manager has several communities to handle, it might take a little time before you get a response. Emergencies should get a quick response, of course, but just because you don't hear something a few hours after calling or emailing doesn't you're being ignored.

So, start with having a sit down with your property manager and get his/her side. This is a good time to manage expectation and remind homeowners what the manager can handle vs. the board, and you can inform the homeowners accordingly. It's OK for homeowners to copy an email to the board - set up a separate email account for the board for this. This will give you a good way to track how quickly the property manager responds. Be sure to remind homeowners of what issues should be brought to the board - they should be able to send you an email. For people who may not have email (there are a few people left!), consider putting a lockbox somewhere on the property where people can drop off letters.

If you have a newsletter or website (preferably both), post some sort of resource page where people should call for specific issues. For example, maintenance requests go the property manager, crime issues to local police or security officer if you have one (if calling the cops, use the non-emergency number instead of 911), association issues, such as the date of the next board meeting should go to the board.

If you're setting up an email account for the board, don't forget to put some sort of formal policy on storage, anonymous complaints, etc. For example, all board members need to be copied if one board member responds to a homeowner, absolutely no email voting on issues that should be discussed in open board meetings, etc. This sites has all sorts of discussions on emails, so you may want to see what other communities are doing and if there are best practices you might adopt. And run the email communications through your association attorney as well so you don't run into any conflicts with state law or your governing documents.

One thing our property manager does is to combine small maintenance requests before sending out the contractor - this way, everything gets done in one trip rather than multiple trips. You may want to consider doing this as well.

Finally, if you find you really need a new property manager, you might want to check out the CAI website (community associations institute), which has education materials on what to consider when hiring a company. Or just Google selecting a HOA property manager and see what comes up - good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Rob

You have an unresponsive/inefficient MC/PM. Either improve their service or replace them. Do not keep paying them and doing part of their job.
RobC2 (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
This is the type of feedback I was looking for - thank you!!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think, Rob, that we don't have enough information to say your PM is incompetent.

100 condos in one 12-story building might contain a lot of components that I mentioned earlier: boilers or big water heaters? A rooftop HVAC system? Pressurization fans? Dampers? Who takes care of all this stuff? (our buildings are taller, but the complexity should be about the same unless you have individual AC/heat)

Do you have an onsite engineer? Or does the PM contact various vendors to handle these needs? this is what PitA was referring to in his post. When a hallway is stuffy? Who gets the phone call? Do you want it?

Your HOA, I hope, has a "reserves study" that lists all of the components that your HOA must do major repairs on or replace someday. Reading it will help you learn about your building's infrastructure. Would any director know who to call if one of those oddly-named components fails?

Another way to learn more about your building is to review all of your contracts, e.g., with Otis (probably) elevator & the others too. Who sees to it that these vendors do their job? do you and the other directors want to?

finally, some of you directors absolutely ned to accompany the PM on the weekly walkthrough to see what your building contains. I think you'll be enlightened!

What I'm saying is that given your building probably has a complex mechanical/plumbing system, I don't believe that your board wants to get enmeshed in all that even if some directors are knowledgeable about the trades & crafts involved. You, I promise, do NOT want the 2AM phone calls because someone can't shut off their water or a resident's sink has overflowed to the units below.

Sheila offers some really good tips.

Btw, how old is your building?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
.... the pigs have now actually flown
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobC2 on 10/30/2016 5:54 PM
I am a new owner in a 100 unit condo in Denver, and I have recently become a board member, which is new experience for me.

We have a contract with a management company, and we work with a property manager from that company.

Right now, standard protocol is that when an owner wants to report an issue, they contact our property manager.

As I've gotten to know other owners in my building, I keep hearing them say that when they reach out to our property manager, they do not hear back from the property manager. And one owner told me that he feels that it's more of the management company that runs the show around here, rather that the board. Also, I find our property manager to be not as responsive as I would like to my questions.

At the moment, I'm wondering if we, as the board, should change the current way of doing things by telling the owners to report issues directly the board, rather than the property manager. And then we tell the management company what to do. But I don't want to suggest this before I do my homework, and learn about the advantages and disadvantages of this.

So my question is, is having the owners report problems to the board rather than the management company a bad idea, and if so, why?

Also, if this is a good idea, can anyone recommend a way to do this? For example, should I have people email me directly (not my personal email), or maybe set up a separate email account, where all of us board members periodically check for any emails sent.

*Note: many of us on the board are new, and we are looking into possibly getting a new management company. And I also understand that having issues reported directly to us could be time consuming - but we have quite a few new and eager board members that I think are capable of handling the workload.

Just remember the management company works for YOU, the BOD & the owners, you don't work for the management company.
You and your fellow BOD can fire the management company and hire a new one.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Rob,

It's wise to allow HOA residents to report issues through the management company, which then can distribute those concerns equally, or appropriately, to the HOA board. It's also a good firewall to prevent board members from being swamped w/ common complaints.

That your property manager isn't replying in a timely fashion, it's wise to learn how fast the manager is responding and if there is an expectation of response for every call or email. Some complaints are made as statements....which may not yield a reply if not interpreted as requiring one.

Set expectations for communications with the Property Manager before reaching the conclusion that you're not properly managed.
JoanM6 (Maryland)
Posts: 1
Posted:
As a property manager, I agree with the statement, we work towards the benefit of the association and all its owners. If Board members were to field the maintenance calls, it would defeat the purpose of having professional management. The management company should have a system in place to centralize the maintenance calls which greats a very valuable data base for the types of problems/repairs unique to your property.

With that being said, there are many Boards and management companies who lack communication regarding what is expected of each and as stated above set those expectations. I would recommend when there is a Board transition, two suggestions: 1}a meeting with your property manager and someone higher up in the company to discuss expectations, and 2} some method of education for new Board members, starting with reading all of the property documents, researching state laws, read books, and or taking a seminar on learning what your responsibilities are as a Board member.

Take the time to review past minutes, look at contracts, understand the financials, and look to your manager for doing the leg work to bring you facts on issues so you as a Board can make the best decisions that you can.

Remember, in the end the responsibility is yours to protect your association for the greater good.

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