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TaraR (Arizona)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Hello Everyone. I live in a subdivision of 75 homes that belongs to a master association with several hundred homes and some businesses. My subdivision has our own set of financials, costs with a monthly assessment fee of $44 per month. The subdivision also pays $70/quarterly to the master association.

Over the last few years, the subdivision finances have not been able to support the community pool and private streets (not accessible to all homeowners in the master association, that is why there is a $44 assessment for just the subdivision). We are at a point of doing an $800+ special assessment.

One solution is that the current board is approaching the master association board to request assistance. We are asking that the master include the subdivision common area in the weekly landscaping service… a $400 monthly saving to the subdivision. The reason why we are asking is that the subdivision does not get the full benefits of the master association. The subdivisions quarterly assessment is put into the same accounts to pay for the master associations property management and landscaping.

Can anyone help me on helpful hints that I can hit during this meeting to win my case? The master association is well over $130K in funds, as the subdivision only has $38K (needing $45K for the streets and $30K for the pool repairs). Any help would be appreciated. Our property manager (which is separate from the masters) laughed and said the master board would not agree. Has anyone ever been in this situation and had a positive outcome?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Tara, the amount of money in the subassociation and the master association is not a valid argument for the master association paying for your sub-association monthly landscaping expenses. First I suggest you find out exactly what the master association pays for and what each sub-association pays for. Does the master association pay the landscaping expenses or property management for the other sub-associations? If so, these are valid arguments for also paying for your subassociation's.

If they do not then your sub-association obviously needed to increase their monthly assessment of $44 before now. Off hand, it is difficult for me to believe this small assessment is adequate to maintain and replace private roads in a gated sub-association and a swimming pool.

I think your PM needed to look at themselves rather than laugh. Upon being employed did they recommend looing into the budget of the master association before recommending the annual budget. A PM's recommended annual operating and reserve budgets should be based on preventing a special assessment. Do you have a long range (20 year) reserve plan? If not, did the PM recommend creating one? Your main questions may need to be addressed to the PM

JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Tara:

I read Roger's reply, and I think he is correct. The private common areas in your sub-association do not benefit the master association; your sub-association needs to assess sufficiently for both operations and reserves to take care of the long-term maintenance items. The master's responsibilities do not include maintenance of sub-association assets.

My guess is that either your PM has not done his job sufficiently, or there have been previous boards who didn't want to raise assessments, or both, and thus, your sub-association finds itself needing to do a special assessment.

The other members of the master association have no responsibility to bail out your sub-association; and if you think about it, their property values would not necessarily benefit from it, either.

I work for a master association, we have ten sub-asssociations (condo and Townhome associations), plus about 1200 single-family homes. I cannot imagine that one of the subs would even think of asking money from the Master, let alone that our board would even consider such a request.

One thing to consider, would be for your board to make the assessment due at once, but payable over time (generally with either a discount for paying up front or interest if paying over time). In such cases, if a property sells, the special assessment is due and payable at closing (and the unpaid amount is then folded into the cost of the home for the purchaser). Another would be for your sub to take out a loan, and raise the general assessment to pay the cost.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
BobB12 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
i think this is a really strange comment: I cannot imagine that one of the subs would even think of asking money from the Master, let alone that our board would even consider such a request. you could not blanketly say there is never never a reason for a sub to ask a master. asking is fine. if there is a good relationship with common goals why not??
BobB12 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
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Posted By BobB12 on 08/28/2009 6:11 PM
i think this is a really strange comment from previous post " I cannot imagine that one of the subs would even think of asking money from the Master, let alone that our board would even consider such a request. " you could not blanketly say there is never never a reason for a sub to ask a master. asking is fine. if there is a good relationship with common goals why not??

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Tara,
I agree the way to get to where your association wants to be is planning and special assessments if need be. Roger is right and probably applicable to your situation.

Since we also serve under a Umbrella Master Association, I would suggest you read your connection to the Master that should be referenced in your documents and also read the Master Documents that references this issue. If neither of these sets of documents gives good explanations or enough detail, you might want to approach the BOD of the master to have a sit down and discuss concerns. Keep in mind that the Master is not going to make special exceptions for your association and any agreements will require the same treatment for all the lower sub-divisions. If this entails condos and residential single family association it can turn into a complicated mess. The master association may also have covenants written that direct what the sub-divisions have to follow, ors does. Basically it says the subs will help pay for the common needs of the total membership of all the associations. Our documents do not address any financial support coming down from master to subs. In other words it is not a function of the master to support any individual sub, just the total of all the membership in the master.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would say it might be a good idea if your individual common area maintenance could benefit from the master association's contract. IE: If you can get a better rate by combining to a larger contract then it makes sense.

I think the concept that having money makes one responsible for others is really dragging down our nation right now.

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