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KevinR6 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hello,

I am new to this board and new to an HOA Community. My wife and I received a very threatening letter recently from our HOA and Property Management stating that our front-yard landscape was damaged and that I am to appear before the HOA later this month. Upon further investigation of this potential non-compliance issue, I read our HOA Rules and Regulations and CCR surrounding the landscaping issue and it is written within the CCR under Article X, page 105, Item number 6, Repair and Maintenance by Owner – its states under Detached Condominium Units – “Except as specified in Exhibit ‘F” (landscape maintenance area) as the maintenance obligation of the corporation”; therefore, it is in my own interpretation of this letter against my property and home is unjust and legally unfounded. (Citation page 5 of 7 – The corporation maintains all landscaping and irrigation systems located in the front yard’s areas of the Detached Condominium Units depicted on Exhibit “F” attached hereto and in the Corporation Property and any potted plants placed on the Corporation Property by the Corporation”.

There is no other area within our 198 page CCR that talks about front-yard landscape except what I have recited above. Why would the HOA Community send us such a threatening letter which stated they would force us to pay for landscape damage and assess it against us when it fact all landscape is to be covered through the Corporation. Nor myself or my family have caused any damage to this area and all landscaping is done by our landscape vendor and I do not own any landscape tools to even take care of this area.

Do I have any legal recourse based upon the citation above since NO Homeowner that I have spoken to has ever performed any landscape within the Common Areas of their property, including myself - the only people who take care of it is the landscapers.

Thank you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I don't believe this is a "Threat". It's just a notification to come to a hearing to explain your side of things. Otherwise, you could be on the hook for the cost of the perceived damage by the HOA. If the lawn care company did do the damage, then the HOA has an insurance claim against that landscaper. The landscaper should maintain an insurance policy for such items. The HOA board may have misdirected their focus to the wrong party.

BTW... Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So be VERY careful when running to a lawyer for legal actions. Your going to pay on BOTH ends. So it may be best to plead your case and present your proof to the board instead of doing your own threats of legal action...

Former HOA President
KevinR6 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I am not going to sue my HOA community, but I want them to understand that I have no legal responsibility to the landscape as mentioned in the CCR - it is the Corporations Responsibility; therefore this letter should not have been sent to me.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You are a member of that corporation...

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I assume you've never done ANYTHING with the landscaping, so before you run off to an attorney (which is what you should if you want legal advice), go to the hearing and see what they have to say and then give your side and go on from there.

Hopefully, it's squashed at that point and you get an apology from the board and/or property manager for sending it by accident. As upsetting as the language in the letter probably is, there is still a possibility it was generated automatically and if not, mistakes can and do happen. If you're still ticked off, it's up to a judge to decide if you have legal recourse, who will also decide if your interpretation is on target or not.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree with Sheila that this might be a mistake, so do calm down. But also attend and see what the issue is. Make sure to take a few copies of the relevant portions of your CC&Rs.

If your PM gads an office onsite, you might want to vista her/him to get "clarification" about this alleged damage.

Does the letter cite any CC&Rs or Rules, Kevin? Does it ask you to repair the alleged damage? In other words, does it say anything other than invite you to a hearing? Can you see any damage?
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> I assume you've never done ANYTHING with the landscaping,

Yes this is the key question.

(Unless your association is one of the crazy ones) the objective of compliance letters is to obtain compliance. Not to insult, harass, or fine. Go to the meeting and state your case. There will be time to take umbrage later if it is warranted.

At some future time, after this is settled, it might be time to comment about the tone or perceived tone of compliance letters.

KevinR6 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I am trying to calm down - This is a brand new detached condo community, less than 18 months old and the first time I have ever received such a notice. The non-compliant letter does not indicate what the damage is nor does it provide any citation from our Rules and Regulations or from the CCR which I think is more upsetting than anything else. To send a blanket threatening letter without a cited source to back up the threat and the request to be seen and to pay for unknown or unsubstantiated damages is what I am more upset about. Its not about the money, it's the way they communicated this to me which is why I have read the entire Rules and Regulations and CCR over 250 pages long to make sure I am not missing anything!

What is funny to me, is that the damage they claim (I sent an scathing e-mail) is the mulch is disappearing in the common area around my property. Um, mulch is biodegradable after one year and what, it has been 18 months since the community has been completed. Give me a break! Mulch is disappearing around the entire community - all common plots! And it is the responsibility of the landscapers to take care of all of our common areas - NO one in the community tends to their own yard - its the reason why we live in this community - everything is taken care of through the HOA - which I pay for monthly! I'm just angry!
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
When I send a non-compliance letter out, I would include both the exact citation from either the Rules and Regulations and/or CCRs and picture(s) of the violation.

Prior to being called to a hearing, you should have been given the opportunity to correct. The association MUST have a process that is in writing and is distributed to each of the Members on an annual basis.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Here's a sample Hearing Notice:




Re: Notice of Hearing
Dear :

As you know, members of the association are subject to restrictions found in the governing documents. The documents also describe the board's responsibilities. One such responsibility is the enforcement of the governing documents. Sometimes this requires the imposition of fines and penalties against those who violate the association's restrictions. The board always regrets taking such measures and would prefer to minimize them whenever possible.

In this case, you are alleged to have violated: . Accordingly, a hearing has been set so that you may have an opportunity to appear before the board to discuss the matter and/or contest the evidence. You may appear in person or submit a written response. If the board determines that a violation occurred, it may impose a fine (or daily fines for continuing violations) and/or suspend privileges for up to 30 days.

The hearing will be held as indicated below:
Date:
Time:
Location:
Upon timely written request and for worthy cause, you may be granted a short continuance to a new hearing date.

Sincerely,
Board of Directors
XYZ Association

It's from Davis-stirling.com a site compiled by a CA HOA law firm. Visit it to learn about your rights as a CA HOA member. Learn about the procedures that must be followed for h'owners to be fined. These should have been included in your closing documents and sent to you annually with your budget. It's highly likely that you & the Board can resolve this at the hearing to your satisfaction. I'm sure most on this board would advise you to be polite at the hearing. You may learn, after all, that your want to be friends with some Board members or even serve at some point. That you've read your complete and oddly lengthy CC&Rs means you know more about your HOA than virtually all h'ownrs and probably a few directors too!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Kevin,

Is the mulch missing or been moved (i.e. showing bare spots)?

You specified that you took the letter from the HOA as threatening and responded with a scathing email of your own. Unfortunately, the tone of any conversation may have been set as a result of these actions. Otherwise I would have advised to take the high road as the whole thing may be a misunderstanding.

I have a member of our Board who is one on of the nicest persons I know. However, when he writes a letter it tends to read with an adversarial tone. This may have been the case with your letter.

If pictures were not included, I would have advised you to ask them to show you the specific problem as you don't see the issue they described in their letter. Unfortunately, as I wrote earlier, you have already sent your response and it may be difficult to take the path I suggest toward a resolution.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Kevin

As I mentioned, prior to being called to a hearing, you should have received a warning or letter to correct.

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