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JM16 (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
We have a zombie home in our neighborhood that has not paid any HOA fees for approximately 5 years since the owner moved out. The house is still titled in the owners name, however the bank (Wells Fargo) has been minimally maintaining it and paying the taxes.

We're at a point where there's a balance of approximately $5000 in fees and fines on the house, however the HOA is hesitant to foreclose on the house due to the bank being the primary lien holder. I'm sure we're not the only HOA that's had to deal with this out there, what are our legal options to either force payment or force the bank to finally take over the house?

We've worked with the city on code issues as much as possible but the city can only do so much. One other complicating factor is the owner is believed to have gone back into the military when he moved out, but we can't get him to return our calls or verify his current address.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
The situation you describe is not uncommon. The former owner's military status may be holding the bank from foreclosing.

A good case can be made that the bank has constructively taken possession of the property if they are maintaining it even to the slightest degree and/or paying taxes. If I were in your position I would seriously consider suing the bank for those unpaid assessments. Considering the amount owed versus the cost of defending against the lawsuit, the bank my choose to settle rather than fight. Have your association's attorney make a demand on the bank and see what happens.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
JM,

An Association forecloses to stop the bleeding vs. expecting to recoup the money.

You could take Larrys advice and take legal action against the bank or you can spend that same money (if not less) and start the foreclosure process. Once the foreclosure is done, then the bank (or someone) will legally own the property and they will be required to pay assessments from that point forward.

Note: as Larry pointed out, if the members were military, this can delay any foreclosure process.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 10/04/2016 10:15 PM
An Association forecloses to stop the bleeding vs. expecting to recoup the money.


Suicide is also a way to stop bleeding and in this case, foreclosure would likely be suicide.

Foreclosure is a judicial procedure in which the defendant homeowner must be given notice, by way of summons and complaint, and an opportunity to respond. A defendant who cannot be located presents a problem as personal service of process is the desired method of giving notice.

There are alternative methods of service, such as by publication in a newspaper, but the courts normally require the plaintiff to show some evidence that the defendant cannot be found before allowing some other means of service. This means that your attorney will hire some number of process servers and/or private detectives to provide affidavits that they could not locate the defendant and that an alternative method of service is justified. All of this work must be paid for by the plaintiff HOA and can easily run into a thousand dollars or more.

Then there is the issue of whether the homeowner is in the military and whether federal law would protect him from an HOA foreclosure five years after abandoning the home. An attorney is going to charge his client for his time in researching this issue and writing up a memorandum of points and authorities.

One should never lose sight of the fact that when litigating, there is no upper limit to what you may need to spend.

If the HOA prevails in the foreclosure, they or someone else, will become the proud owner of a dilapidated home with a superior lien hanging over their heads. I don't know about NC but in my state the new owner would have 30 days to pay off the first mortgage. Good luck finding a buyer.

Foreclosures on properties with superior liens are always risky. In this case where the owner is at an unknown location, his military status is uncertain, and the bank has a superior lien, there is a lot of risk and a lot of foreseeable expense, all to collect a whole $5000. This is a suicide waiting to happen.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
I have never heard of anyone being actively deployed for 5 years. Is it legal for your general council to request a DD-214 or proof of military status from the DOD?
I am not sure what forms are required, but even state DMV's require some documentation of deployment to avoid fines for registration violations etc.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
LetA,

There are databases that are required to be searched to prove if a member is military or not when dealing with foreclosure. Our attorney checked that (as required) prior to filing a collections action in court.

The Service Members Civil Relief Act of 2003, which replaced the Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act of 1940, no longer requires that the member be deployed to have these legal benefits.

For more info on SCRA see:

https://scra.dmdc.osd.mil/

NOTE: My browser said it was an unsafe page. The government is notorious for not keeping their certificates up to date. Simply add an exception and you can gain access to the site (if your browser does the same as mine did).
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
If the case for collection is hopeless, then foreclosure would at least remove the owner's name from the deed and temporarily grant it to the HOA. The bank would then foreclose on HOA by calling the mortgage due in full and the HOA should gleefully give them the deed.

Then, the process can restart. The HOA loses the right to collect the past dues and will "eat" the legal costs, which I think are capped at $1,200 by North Carolina law.

After five years, the property is clearly abandoned. It's a current no-win scenario and it will be a no-win scenario when the HOA receives ownership. You're looking for a re-establishment.

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