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LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
Posted:
I realize the reserve study is just a guideline. But how much leeway does the board have in following it's recommendations as to the funding?
JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By LindaS27 on 09/25/2016 12:43 PM
I realize the reserve study is just a guideline. But how much leeway does the board have in following it's recommendations as to the funding?

Great topic Linda. We had our last Reserve Study in 2012 and this has been a hot topic of conversation since then. Depending on the make-up of the Board members (and how they see budgeting), we've had sporadic movements toward saving enough in our Reserve Fund. Some years we save a lot....some years not so much. We are not 100% funded at this time and, for the first time, we will be asking our Membership to modify our DCC&R to place tighter restrictions on how our Reserve Fund is handled.

Looking forward to hearing how others respond to this.

Thanks!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
To my knowledge, there is no requirement that a Reserve Study be fully funded.

A lot of States require that studies be done. Some States require statements be made about how funded the Reserves are. However, I haven't seen any State that requires they be fully funded.

I think this is due to many Associations requiring members approval to increase assessments beyond a specific amount/percentage or that the members actually approve the budget. Hence, lawmakers are cautious in making requirements to fully fund Reserves (for fear of disenchanting the voters). How would you feel if the Board announced at it's next meeting that Assessments will increase 25% or more in order to comply with a Statute that requires Reserves are fully funded?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
By "following it," Linda, do you mean try to achieve the percent funded that the analysts or specialist recommends??
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
In California, there are certain reserve study requirements. The real question is WHY Boards actually conduct Reserve Study updates, is it to just follow the statues or actually use it as a financial tool?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Part of the answer may depend on your documents - some may require the reserves to be funded at a certain level or that studies must be done a certain number of years. Ideally, you try to follow the reserves as closely as you can, because you can see whats on the horizon and while you can't completely predict how much things will be, you'll at least have an idea of how much you should be saving.

Another issue may be whether the board really understands what a reserve study is, how it was put together and how it will impact the budget (I believe you have another post on this topic and have learned this describes a lot of board member!). Sometimes people tale a look at the numbers and freeze because they know getting the fund to the level it should be will require some tough decisions regarding spending, prioritizing various projects and of course, what to set the assessment (because it will certainly mean they will have to increase). That last one often prompts the board to ignore the study altogether, figuring by the time the caca comes blowing in, they will have sold their homes and it'll be the remaining owners' problem.

In fact, I believe the News section of this website has a story on a community that's looking at a huge special assessment because the assessments weren't set in a way that the money would be there when needed

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
Posted:
Thanks everyone for the input. More clarification:

Our governing docs are silent on reserves.

CCIOA 38-33.3-209.5 Responsible governance policies
(1)(b)Adopt policies, procedures, and rules and regulations concerning: (nine total items)
VI - Investment of reserve funds
IX - When the association has a reserve study prepared for the portions of the community maintained, repaired, replaced, and improved by the association: whether there is a funding plan for any work recommended by the reserve study and, if so, the projected sources of funding for the work; and whether the reserve study is based on a physical analysis and financial analysis. For purposes of this subparagraph (IX), an internally conducted reserve study shall be sufficient.

We have both policies but they seem vague and generic - though one part stood out:

"The Association will make every attempt to keep the reserve accounts sufficiently funded to cover future maintenance items as reported by the Reserve Study.

Our latest study(2016)is really difficult to follow but after reviewing it several times, I see nothing that shows what % it is currently funded or the % it will be funded if we follow their recommendations.
Even though there are some bogus numbers in the report, it basically suggests increasing contributions by 250%.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I went back and looked at your last topic on reserves (Trees: operating or reserve expense) and note that you said you'd asked several questions of your board about the latest study, but they didn't seem to respond, especially the president.

I don't know if your documents need specific language stating the board MUST follow reserve recommendations - the board does need flexibility in setting the budget, depending on what's happening in the community right now. For example, if there's a major delinquency issue, funding reserves will be very challenging, regardless of the study. The study may recommend putting X amount away, but to do it, the association may have to make some tough decisions on what will happen with the rest of the budget, perhaps funding reserves a little less than the recommendation. Whatever happens, the board needs to find a way to fund reserves consistently, because if it doesn't, the association is setting itself up for big assessment increases AND a special assessment (or two, or three).

AS to how the board should use the study, it may be better for the board to have some policies and procedures on how reserve studies will be handled, such as:

Before the on-site visit, the property manager shall prepare a list of reserve components to be reviewed by the board to ensure everything's listed on the study.
The board will prepare criteria defining what is a reserve item vs. an operating budget item - everything on the study should meet that criteria
The reserve study specialist must have a Community Association Institutes (CAI) Reserve Specialist (RS) designation and/or Association of Professional Reserve Analysts (APRA) Professional Reserve Analysts designation.

There are a number of articles on reserve studies and how they're put together - you may want to read a few and then look at the report again to see how the specialist did his/her job. Perhaps the answers to your questions are there, but the report is poorly written and difficult to find (which is another problem worth addressing the next time the association commissions another study) If you still have questions, talk to the board again and ask if your questions could be forwarded to the specialist for a response - both you and the board will get the response. If you still aren't happy, consider asking they hold a special homeowner's meeting where the specialist can make a presentation on the study and people can ask questions (something I suggested in your last conversation).


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
Posted:
Sheila - Excellent suggestions re onsite visits and the reserve specialists qualifications. I am including those in my notes in case I ever make it onto the board.

One needed new component mentioned at the board meeting a few months ago, and also described in the newsletter is the clubhouse staircase and landing going to the basement. There is some water leaking from the deck above causing mold issues. So I figured: good catch! In the RS report, the specialist even mentions it in "Executive Summary" where he highlights this issue in the "Physical Condition" portion. BUT then he leaves it out of the components list. No one catches this! Do I just have too much time on my hands to see these things or what?

The board also added ~ 10 new components, including the tree maintenance. They also included the concrete sidewalks that they left out of the 2014 study. The trees and sidewalks have major costs in the 30 year plan ($704K and $284K).

But the biggest ticket item that I would want clarification on is the pool resurfacing.
The 2014 Study - 25 year life, current cost $39K needing done in 2015 and 2040 for a total of $120K
The 2016 Study - 10 year life, current cost $234K needing done in 2023-2033-2043 a total of $1,140K
HUGE differences - over $1 million. Seems like one of the companies is off!

There are a lot of other errors too. However, the board approved this study at the August meeting. At the BOD meeting last week, I had intended to bring up a couple of the large $$ items, but didn't get to speak (will start another post for that fiasco)!

Anyway, with all the added and/or inflated expenses, I was expecting a dues increase. But they're not going to go that way. And on the other (Cluster) reserve study that calls for a special assessment of $75K, they are going to skip that for now (another story/another post).

Recently, reserve budgets(General)funding has been:
2015 - $42K
2016 - $36K - lowered because RS had several errors (mainly sidewalks excluded)
2017 - $58K - projected; however the RS recommends $75K

Good news - no dues increase for 2017. Bad news - special assessment for 2018?

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I urge you, Linda, to review all of the materials about reserves and reserves studies at Davis-stirling.com even though they're a CA law firm. The reason is they cover so many of the questions you have some of which are confused and confusing. You need a systematic understanding of the topic. Your thinking is all over the place while you try to grapple with the topic. In that reference, you'll also see how to calculate your % funded.

Over the past 5 years, we've had three reserves companies, but all three have the % funded clearly on the first 2-3 pages of the studies. Again, I'm wondering if you're just not reading it right

for instance, you have a component called pool resurfacing. To fully fund that component, you only look at its replacement cost for whatever its remaining useful life (RUL) is. Don't try to add its next estimated resurfacing to the total. And, them why is isi t so expensive? Our schedule shows only about $25,000 to resurface the pool. Is yours a huge olympic size?? And how in the world can resurfacing the pool last 25 years. Ours only is estimated to last about 10. Are you sure you're not talking about the deck that surrounds the pool??

LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
Posted:
Kerry - Thanks for the link. I will check that out when I get time.

My thinking is all over the place because that is how these reports appear. But I did go back and review the information on the pool. Part of the problem has to do with the measurements and other times the useful life. NOTE: same RS company in 2009 and 2014;

Pool Resurface (2009) 14 UL - 4,640 sq.ft. @ $6.00 - $27,840 Current Cost - Replace in 2017 and 2031
(2014) 25 UL - 4,100 sq.ft. @ $8.00 - $38,550 Current Cost - Replace in 2015 and 2040
(2016) 10 UL - 18,000 sq.ft. @ $13.00 - $234,000 Current Cost - Replace in 2023 and 2033 and 2043

Don't know why the same company would have two different measurements OR why the 2016 study shows so much more in sq.ft. I do know that based on other components that the board (not knowing last replacement time) adjusted the UL on some components in 2014

Seems something should have been done in 2013 or 2015, but it's not readily apparent in the financials. Many times, a reserve item is not expensed from the reserves. For example, this year the clubhouse water heater was expensed out of the operating account so it makes it harder to find on the F/S.

Regarding percent funded: In the 2009 and 2014 studies, there is a summary page that shows the different % listed by year.
Triple checked, and the 2016 does not show what % is funded.

The reason I showed the total dollars over 30 years is because the report is on the cash flow basis and determines what the funding should be based on the balance not falling below -0- over that entire period. And with inflation, the $$ increase by the time replacement is necessary.

I'm finding that there are a lot of inconsistencies in this new report. The only good thing is that it includes pictures.

If anyone on this forum can estimate the sq.ft. by looking at the pictures, I will send a copy of this latest study.

LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
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I'm really bad with measurements.

If something is 100 yards, I can visualize the length of a football field. Or 12 feet, I have to picture 2 men laying down head to toe.

So I had no idea what the swimming pool might be. But my property is 40 x 80 ft (3,200 sq.ft.) and that looks similar to the pool. So I guess that might take care of the footprint/bottom. And even if you add additional amounts for the four sides (no idea how much) don't think it would be possible to arrive at the 18,000 sq.ft.

Now I feel really silly not knowing immediately that this number is way, way off.

But I'm also finding some inconsistencies for other items. So I would like to get an idea of costs per unit for the following:
1) Asphalt - mill and overlay
2) Asphalt - seal coat & crack fill
3) Drain pans
4) Curb & gutters
5) Concrete sidewalks

DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By LindaS27 on 09/28/2016 2:44 PM

But I'm also finding some inconsistencies for other items. So I would like to get an idea of costs per unit for the following:
1) Asphalt - mill and overlay
2) Asphalt - seal coat & crack fill
3) Drain pans
4) Curb & gutters
5) Concrete sidewalks

We have 65 homes with lot widths typically 60-70 feet, so maybe you can extrapolate these numbers to your development.
1) Our last engineering inspection estimated milling and overlay at $65,000 for reserve purposes.
2) Sealcoating without any special attention to cracks was around $6000 the last time we had it done.
5) Numbers I find are around $6-12 per square foot, so for a four foot wide sidewalk plan on $24-$48 per linear foot. Removing and disposing of old side walk would probably bring the cost up to the higher side of this estimate. If a lot of root trimming/removal is required, that could add too.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Nice help from Douglas, Linda! I also thick you can look these things up online, yes?

Since your reserves study has photos of components, aren't the ones different of the pool and of the pool deck? And aren't the words different? Our pool, btw is 980 GSF. Our pool deck is 3,080 and would cost $175K to replace.

If your original question is: do you have to replace or repair components exactly when the report says so, the answer is no. Our pool "should" be resurfaced this year, but looks great! We won't do it.
LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
Posted:
Douglas & Kerry - Thanks for the information. Here's what's in the latest (2016) reserve report:

Asphalt - mill/overlay - $1.87 sq.ft.
Asphalt - seal coating - $.10 sq.ft.
Concrete drain pans - $9.00 per linear ft.
Concrete sidewalks - $9.00 sq.ft.
Pool Resurfacing - $13.00 sq.ft.

Some of the measurements:
Regular Pool - 18,000 sq.ft (the 2009 & 2014 study showed sq.ft. as 4640 sq.ft. & 4100 sq.ft.)
Wading Pool - 450 sq. ft.
Pool Decking - 5,500 sq.ft.

So, I think that the pool measurement is off - maybe four time more than it needs to be.

I found that tennis courts measure at 2106 sq.ft.(single) and 2808 sq.ft.(double) and that looks about the size of the pool footprint.

Do these prices seem reasonable?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
When I did our reserve study, we checked with several asphalt companies.
Rates were between 11 and 18 dollars per square foot.

We based our study on $14 a square foot.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Your prices don't seem out of line but I'm over here on the US East Coast.

Your asphalt pricing seems right if your asphalt needs involve a parking lot that's relatively easy for a company to "get in and get out."
LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
Posted:
Got a copy of the invoice for the work done October 2015 - partial info below:

$4.30/sq.ft. - Asphalt: replace first lift(3") with 3/4" hot base; pave with second lift (3") with 1/2" hot asphaltic mix
$8.50/sq.ft - Concrete drain pans: remove and replace 36"
$30.05/linear ft. - Curb & gutter: remove and replace 18"
$7.50/sq.ft. - Concrete sidewalks: remove and replace

$1.87/sq.ft. for asphalt in the RS seems low but maybe that is based on a lower depth?
Or maybe the vendor is taking advantage of us - especially with a board that doesn't review things.

Tim: Adding the asphalt and concrete drain pans ($12.80/sq.ft.) would be in line with the $14 amount you use. And I think the drain pans are done at the same time as the asphalt.

However the reserve study shows replacing the asphalt every 20 years and replacing the drain pans every 5 years. Is this common?

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