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MichaelP17 (Missouri)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Does Missouri Revised Statutes 448 for condominiums apply to HOA? My HOA allows a simply majority to amend the covenant but statue 448.2-117 refers to 67% as necessary for an amendment. Does anyone know anything about the application of statutes 448 to Homeowners associations.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
That's a legal question you should put to a private attorney (or your association attorney if you're on the Board).

You may also want to look at this statute to see when it applies - sometimes these revisions apply to HOAs that are established on or after a certain date. Since these are condos, which are a little different from HOAs, it may not apply to you at all, so you need to see how the state defines HOAs vs. condos.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm with Sheila all the way.

Also note that states themselves differ about what they call "HOAs." In CA cvil code, for instance, all are called Common Interest Developments (CIDs) . And those numerous statutes apply both to condo associations and to detached home associations, whether incorporated or not. All are generically termed "HOAs."
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
SC has a Horizontal Property Act that applies to multi unit condo building associations only. It does not apply to any other type HOA. This is not uncommon.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Michael,

I refer you to that act[emphasis added]:

Property submitted to condominium law by declaration.

448.020. Whenever the owners in fee simple of a parcel intend to submit such property to the provisions of sections 448.005 to 448.210, they shall do so by recording a declaration, duly executed and acknowledged, expressly stating such intent and setting forth the particulars enumerated in section 448.030.

Therefore, my laymans opinion would be that if your CC&Rs specify all the requirements in 448.030, you may have to comply with this act. If you're not sure, seek a legal opinion from a local attorney who will have access to your governing documents and a more through knowledge of the statute.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
As a condo owner in Missouri I am particularly interested in this revised state law.
We have an association meeting Jan. 17th to discuss limiting the number of rentals to avoid losing FHA finance options.
I'll post what I learn at this meeting.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By DouglasN4 on 01/06/2017 8:24 PM
As a condo owner in Missouri I am particularly interested in this revised state law. We have an association meeting Jan. 17th to discuss limiting the number of rentals to avoid losing FHA finance options. I'll post what I learn at this meeting.

Douglas, this recently came up at a meeting at my condo. As you may know, for FHA financing the rule used to be that at least 50% of a condo's units had to be owner occupied. Now, if other conditions are met, for FHA financing the required owner-occupancy percentage has been lowered to a minimum of 35% (meaning up to 65% may be be investor owned or rentals). Some discussion appears at http://fhareview.com/the-guidlines-fhaapprovalguidlines/

Can you explain a plan for limiting the number of rentals that would be fair and pass legal muster?
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
I know of HOA communities where no rental is allowed ever. But in my Assoc we're looking at limitations for no more than 25% rental.
Personally I'd prefer zero rental. I think 100% owner occupied units makes for a better community.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DouglasN4 on 01/06/2017 8:24 PM
As a condo owner in Missouri I am particularly interested in this revised state law.
We have an association meeting Jan. 17th to discuss limiting the number of rentals to avoid losing FHA finance options.
I'll post what I learn at this meeting.

Update: The Assoc meeting was a bit disappointing. Besides the the 3 board members only two home owners showed up (out of 60 units in total). I also found out the board president doesn't live on the premises but rents his unit to a relative. Since the main topic for discussion was limited rentals I see a conflict of interest.
The other two board members are sweet but rather timid women (but that doesnt mean they cant be tigers).
We finally got around to discussing rental limits and they agreed it was needed but no one had a plan.
Since lawyers are already involved I thought it odd that no potential plans were offered. So I threw out a few ideas of my own. Limiting rentals to about 30%. Units cannot be rented for one year after purchase (to avoid corp buyers). Higher assessments on rented units...etc. The response to my ideas was blank expressions.
Anyway, after brief discussions on other minor matters a young police officer hijacked the rest of the meeting to talk about a neighborhood watch. Crime is ridiculously low (and that's a good thing) so no one saw the need, but he still occupied almost 30 minutes quoting stats.
Frustrating!
I'll update as I learn more.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Douglas,

Thank you for the update.

I do have a few comments.

Conflicts of interest are not illegal. They simply need to be disclosed and it seems that this occurred.
Since this issue will be a vote for the membership, vs. a Board vote, then you will certainly have members who rent casting a vote.

Limiting Rentals to 30% - Requires a lot of work to enforce and rotate the rental availability if there are more then 30% who want to rent. One also needs to define what a hardship is or isn't.

Not renting during the first year of ownership makes sense and is an option I support as it's easier to enforce and doesn't affect those who are already renting.

Higher Assessments on rentals would be tough to defend when challenged in a court of law.

Again, thanks for the update.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By DouglasN4 on 01/24/2017 1:34 AM

Limiting rentals to about 30%.
Units cannot be rented for one year after purchase (to avoid corp buyers).
Higher assessments on rented units...etc.

Limiting rentals to about 30% .. . Have seen Condos do that due to some mortgage lenders have issue with high rental percentages.

Units cannot be rented for one year after purchase (to avoid corp buyers) ... Have seen this to cut down both on investor purchases and to comply with limiting rentals due to sometimes mortgage lending issues.

Higher assessments on rented units...etc. ... This I contend will not fly and potentially considered illegal. Everyone is to pretty much share equally with regards to assessments. In single family subdivisions it is essentially per lot and in Condos it is either per unit or in some cases based on size of the units.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
JanetB2

I agree that higher assessment on rentals may not pass muster but I wanted to throw some ideas out there since the board members didn't have any. Or at least any they were willing to share. I mentioned only two home owners, myself included, were at the meeting. However there was one renter at the meeting which I thought curious. I have since learned that one building with 4 units is entirely owned by a man who rents all 4 units.

The reluctance of the board to discuss the rental limits may have been to not let too much info out of the bag until they have a solid plan from the advice of lawyers. In other words, the renter was a spy...lol.

Oh lord...the politics of an HOA is proving to be quite interesting.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
LOL ... They can be quite interesting. One suggestion I would have is to gather individuals who LIVE on site and do not rent and at your next election try to insure the BOD ends up comprised of mostly those who actually live in the HOA vs. renting units. I have a friend who did that this year in her HOA. She was new to the HOA, saw the issues, and went about fixing. She is now the President .

One problem she found is the BOD comprised of those who rented units did not want to spend money on proper maintenance because that would possibly mean less rental money in their pockets, if dues were increased. If you have someone like yourself who is willing to put forth effort and can give those who physically live in their units reasons to be more active ... you may be surprised and those who may be willing to help.

I thought you threw out some great ideas at your meeting ... I just wanted to make sure that on the one item nobody ended up in trouble.

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