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DorrinndaF (Michigan)
Posts: 17
Posted:
could someone please clarify for me the word Association? is the homeowners associaiton the members or the board?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is for owner controlled/owned HOA's... Homeowner's Associations are made up of homeowners. One has to be a homeowner to be a member. The board of the HOA is made up of the owner's/members to represent them as a "whole". The board is to do the daily business of the HOA general members on their behalf.

A HOA works both as a quasi-government and a corporation. The owners are basically shareholders in the corporation. A HOA is only funded by it's members for it's members. The government portion is when elections play a role in the HOA. The board members politic to be voted onto the board. The board then elects it's officer positions from within the elected board members.

Now HOA's were created as "sales tools" by the developers. They were set up to entice potential buyers to buy into the concept that they the owners had control and say what happened in their neighborhood. Who doesn't like the idea that one can enforce rules/regulations to keep "home values" up? That atleast is the speal most people hear. HOA's really don't keep home values up. What they do is keep the neighborhood ATTRACTIVE to potential buyers.

Former HOA President
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
The association is a corporation or legal entity that most often owns property (the common elements), and has some level of control over the individually owned properties in the association. The association members are all of the owners. The board manages the association for the members.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
DorrinndaF (Michigan)
Posts: 17
Posted:
The Homeowner Association was formed to serve as the voice of 258 plus property owners - would this be a correct wording? I feel personally that this wording is TAKING AWAY THE VOICE OF THE MEMBERS. An example of which could be the association has to make guidlines for the use of the common areas - so would that mean the board has to make guidelines or the members as a whole?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Have you read your CC&R's? That will outline how such things are approved. HOA's are managed by it's members for it's members besides just funding. That means the members can create and change the rules as they want not by board vote only. It's a situation where "Majority rules". Which means that changes to your documents like CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation take around 51% to 100% of the entire membership to make changes. By-laws are more fluid document which board members can change with majority vote. However, considering the board are HOA member and elected to represent the will of the HOA, those changes usually are brought about by general member input.

If the HOA does want to change their CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation, they do have to be filed after the vote is achieved. They are considered PUBLIC documents and should be available at the local courthouse. The rules can not be illegal and supercede local, state, or federal laws.

For example: Your membership wants a rule that says that only white shades can be displayed in windows facing the street. (We have this in ours). The membership would use their 1 vote to cast approval for this measure. The board then in turn would incorporate this change into the documents and file them. The board may also be responsible for gathering the votes unless a special committee is set up. It's going to be the board that will be writing the check to the attorney for drafting changes, filing fees, and distribution costs. The board members are also general members so they will be able to vote as general members and not as board.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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HOA boards are similar to your city council, school board, state legislature or most other organizations. The officers/board of directors make decisions on how the organization is run – ideally, it should get input from the members, who should be paying attention to what’s going on and why. Your Bylaws may also give the board the power to make additional rules, provided they don't contradict the CCRs, Bylaws and state/local/federal law - and board members are just as obligated to comply with those rules as you are, so you need to watch for selective enforcement.

A good HOA board will take the time to listen to homeowners to explain why things are or aren't being done, but homeowners have to do their part by attending meetings (at least the annual), read board meeting minutes or other communication from the Association regularly, and ask questions about anything they don't understand. CCRs and rules aren't set in stone and can change - community demographics change, government laws change, tastes in exterior features changes., etc. so you may need to adjust your governing documents to keep up. Homeowners usually have to approve CCRA changes, so they need to educate themselves on the issues so they make an informed decision. If you have a board that's trying to be a law unto itself and ignoring the homeowners altogether, the homeowners need to do their job and vote these folks out or recall them. There shouldn’t be any taking away the voice of the members unless the members allow it by sitting at home and doing nothing, or not speaking up. I always say change isn't easy and doesn't necessarily happen overnight, and sometimes there's lots of pushback. It may come down to how much do you believe in the change you want and what you're willing to do to get it.

You should also remember all homeowners agree to comply with the association rules when they buy a home in the community, which is why it’s a good idea to read them before you buy to determine if those are rules you can live with.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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A definition of "Association" should be in your CC&Rs, Dorrinda. Start with the definitions section at the beginning of your CC&Rs (covenants; declaration). Then read more within your CC&Rs. there you should see the purpose of the Association. Often it'll say something like to protect & maintain the assets of your Association. These include your common areas and your finances. this set ion of your CC&Rs also probably say that the Association is responsible for certain things, e.g., certain kinds of insurance, maybe trash collection, etc.

what is an Association per your CC&Rs, Dorrinda.

It also might say that the Association is managed by a Board of Directors that makes sure the above happens as per Douglas' point

Boards often have the authority to make rules. the procedures vary by state. And usually, Owners have a way to protest against new rules as per sheila's pint.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
A definition of "Association" should be in your CC&Rs, Dorrinda. Start with the definitions section at the beginning of your CC&Rs (covenants; declaration). Then read more within your CC&Rs. there you should see the purpose of the Association. Often it'll say something like to protect & maintain the assets of your Association. These include your common areas and your finances. this set ion of your CC&Rs also probably say that the Association is responsible for certain things, e.g., certain kinds of insurance, maybe trash collection, etc.

what is an Association per your CC&Rs, Dorrinda.

It also might say that the Association is managed by a Board of Directors that makes sure the above happens as per Douglas' point

Boards often have the authority to make rules. the procedures vary by state. And usually, Owners have a way to protest against new rules as per sheila's pint.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Dorrinda

Your Covenants/Bylaws give the elected BOD some power/control. Owners do not get to vote on everything. Typically when the BOD is making decisions the majority of the owners do not like, the easiest way to stop them is to replace them one by none or all at once. This can be done come election time or a recall can be done. Typically best to do at election time.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dorrinnda,

I haven't read all the responses, so I may be repeating what has already been said.

An Association is a separate entity. Think of it as a company (in fact, it actually is a corporation regardless if it is registered as one or not). The Association comes into existence when the development began and deed restrictions (your CC&Rs) were filed with the County.

This corporation has specific responsibilities which are outlined within your governing document. Typically, these include maintaining the common elements and, perhaps, providing specific services (snow removal, trash collection, etc.).

The owners are members of the Association (happens when the CC&Rs are filed). You can think of members as share holders but that isn't really what they are. The members elect a Board of Directors to make the decisions of the Association (company). The Board appoints Officers (typically from amongst themselves) to handle the day to day tasks of running a company.

Again, the answer to your question is that the Association is neither the members nor the Board. It is a separate entity (a registered or unregistered corporation). Although, because the Board speaks for the Association, the Board is often seen as "the Association".

For more info, see:

What is an HOA and What Is It's Purpose?

Homeowner association from wikipedia

Homeowners' Associations—What Is an HOA?

DorrinndaF (Michigan)
Posts: 17
Posted:
the board is making decisions without informing the members. we vote on approval of a budget - my dues have gone up 49% in 3 years - the board uses money for items not approved in the budget when questioned they say they can use the money for what ever they want it doesnt have to be a line item. we lost our tax exempt status because we were not following the rules - the board held a meeting without telling the members whether to appeal and decided they wouldnt - without consulting what the members wanted. they have now decided that no dogs are allowed in the lake or the common areas and told members that they have to have dated notes giving tel numbers of homeowners to contact if people using the parks are questioned. This all decided without consultation with the members. the bylaws state - for the preservation and enhancemnet of the common areas of the sub. This is interpreted by the board that they can create rules and regulations of the membership without any input. they have meetings without publishing them when asked for documention they deny stating that no "reasonable purpose"
The problem i have is that this no one can be bothered to challange them because of the drama in the past ... it has to stop somewhere. I have already had a civil case where they sued me for a fence i errected and they didnt like the size. The court ruled in my favor - it cost me a lot of $$ time and effort and I am sick too of the fight but what is right is right and that is the third suit that they have lost and multiple boards continue to make the same mistakes. where does it stop?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM
where does it stop?

When enough homeowners are unhappy enough with the current board to elect a different one.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
An "association" can have many meanings and contexts. In Florida, "homeowners association" and "association" are defined by statutes. An example is the difference in meaning between statute 720--the Homeowner Act--and 712--Marketable Records Title Act. They define these words differently. So, a homeowners association under 720 is not a homeowner association under 712.

Though functionally, a homeowner association is regarded as a group of owners who are members of a corporation, a simple reading of the governing documents is not sufficient to determine a "global" meaning of "homeowner association".
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dorrinnda,

I'd like to comment on some of your statements:

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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM

the board is making decisions without informing the members.

This would be a transparency issue. Many members of Associations have gotten upset enough to gather support and recall or simply not reelect those individuals that won't be transparant in their actions.

However, keep in mind that although it can be annoying, there is no requirement I know of that a Board tells the membership of their decisions. Typically, members who are interested in how the Association is being ran will attend the meetings to observe how the Board conducts business or request copies of meeting minutes.

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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM

vote on approval of a budget - my dues have gone up 49% in 3 years

Apparently, if the members approve the budget they have approved the increase.

Not knowing how old your development is, Declarants (developers) will tend to artificially keep assessments low in order to attract sales. Then when control is turned over to the members, the reality of the situation hits and major increases in assessments are common. Older developments who fail to set aside enough funds (this often happens because the members think that they will not be living there when things need replaced or repaired) will see increases in assessments to properly fund reserves and to make needed repairs.

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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM

the board uses money for items not approved in the budget when questioned they say they can use the money for what ever they want it doesnt have to be a line item.

The reality of budgets is that they are indeed guidelines and not requirements. Members elect individuals to serve on the Board to make decisions for the Association. If the members are not happy with those decisions, the remedy is to gather support and replace those individuals with others that make decisions the members are happy with. Perhaps you will be willing to serve on the Board and be part of the decision process.

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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM

we lost our tax exempt status because we were not following the rules

Although a common misunderstanding, I have never heard of an HOA or COA being declared a charity by the IRS in order to achieve tax exempt status. Being a non-profit corporation does not mean you are tax exempt. It is simply a category a company can incorporate under. What likely happened is the State administratively dissolved the Corporation for failure to file annual reports. This is easily remidied by going through the process imposed by the State. I would encourage your Association to be incorporated as there are advantages to the membership under the law.

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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM

The problem i have is that this no one can be bothered to challange them because of the drama in the past ... it has to stop somewhere. I have already had a civil case where they sued me for a fence i errected and they didnt like the size. The court ruled in my favor - it cost me a lot of $$ time and effort and I am sick too of the fight but what is right is right and that is the third suit that they have lost and multiple boards continue to make the same mistakes. where does it stop?

Again, the fix is to gather support from the membership and replace the Board with others who are willing to serve. If others are not willing to serve or don't want to participate by voting, then those who are willing to serve will be elected (regardless of how they have acted in the past).

What needs to be done is an education of the membership. This isn't easy, may end up creating more enemies then friends and will take time. It took me 3 years of informing the membership before they started to take action. It was 4 years before I was elected to the Board (that's when I got my education - which is another story). The bottom line is that changes can happen if the members are willing.

LindaS27 (Colorado)
Posts: 236
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Posted By DorrinndaF on 09/23/2016 1:09 PM
the board is making decisions without informing the members. we vote on approval of a budget - my dues have gone up 49% in 3 years - the board uses money for items not approved in the budget when questioned they say they can use the money for what ever they want it doesnt have to be a line item. we lost our tax exempt status because we were not following the rules - the board held a meeting without telling the members whether to appeal and decided they wouldnt - without consulting what the members wanted. they have now decided that no dogs are allowed in the lake or the common areas and told members that they have to have dated notes giving tel numbers of homeowners to contact if people using the parks are questioned. This all decided without consultation with the members. the bylaws state - for the preservation and enhancemnet of the common areas of the sub. This is interpreted by the board that they can create rules and regulations of the membership without any input. they have meetings without publishing them when asked for documention they deny stating that no "reasonable purpose"
The problem i have is that this no one can be bothered to challange them because of the drama in the past ... it has to stop somewhere. I have already had a civil case where they sued me for a fence i errected and they didnt like the size. The court ruled in my favor - it cost me a lot of $$ time and effort and I am sick too of the fight but what is right is right and that is the third suit that they have lost and multiple boards continue to make the same mistakes. where does it stop?

This sounds a lot like our HOA.
I understand that is it necessary to recall the board to make things better. But it is really difficult to get the number (for us, 69)of required signatures to hold that special meeting. Doing a recall at the annual meeting would be a lot easier since there is usually greater attendance.

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