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RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
Assume the BOD contracts with a law firm to represent the HOA for matters of legal advice. The BOD then asks the lawyer for an opinion on an action that BOD has taken. The lawyer then writes a legal opinion and sends it back to the BOD. Do the members of the association have the right to see the correspondence? Assume this is not about any pending or contemplated litigation, just a opinion on a procedural issue. Can the BOD claim attorney/client privilege and withhold the letter?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
"Can the BOD claim attorney/client privilege and withhold the letter?"
Yes. Should they? It all depends on what is in the letter.

Why does the member want to know?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Roger and RobertG,

Interesting. Roger says the client/lawyer privedge prevails in the end.
I think RobertG is asking, in essense; who is the client? I am sure that the board member would not be the person that pays the bill and I'm pretty sure the Lawyer will send a bill to the association. Now, in effect, the board cannot spend money that the council doesn't approve of, or is not allowed to object to the expenditure. Ref: Approval of the budget. Suppose a member objects to the expenditure because the outcome of the Lawyers product (opinion) results in him being fined $500.00. Does lawyer/client priveledge prevail? I suspect this lawyer/client power is being used by a lot of boards just to exert their power and maintain the heirachy (preceived). When Roger says,"What is the reason? Does the fact that it was part his money that paid for the opinion justifying him wanting to know the opinion? I would think it does.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
This has been around before, the association (corporation) is the client, not the members or individual share (stake) holders. The association's elected board directs the attorney, and receives the communications. Generally, unless it involves litigation issues, litigation strategy, or a few other issues I forget at the moment, communications should be available to the owners upon request.

Here's a pretty good article on the subject: 0f who the attorney represents:

http://www.associationtimes.com/articles2006/whodoesatty1006.htm

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RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
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Posted By RogerB on 07/05/2007 7:41 AM
"Can the BOD claim attorney/client privilege and withhold the letter?"
Yes. Should they? It all depends on what is in the letter.

Why does the member want to know?

Let's say the association members (at an annual meeting) pass a motion that the association post the budget on the HOA website before each month's board meeting. The BOD doesn't like this and contacts the association's lawyer to determine if the board has to comply. The lawyer sends back an opinion to the board. At the next board meeting, a member asks why the board didn't publish the budget as required by the motion. The BOD states they don't have to and then states they have an opinion letter from the lawyers stating so. The member want to know exactly what the letter said (either the member doesn't believe they have such a letter or wonders how the problem was actually described and how the attorney replied). The BOD claims attorney/client privilege and won't release the letter and says it is the end of the discussion.

I will grant that any reasonable board would do things differently, but for this discussion assume the worst BOD you can.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
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Posted By RobertG on 07/05/2007 6:57 AM
Assume the BOD contracts with a law firm to represent the HOA for matters of legal advice. The BOD then asks the lawyer for an opinion on an action that BOD has taken. The lawyer then writes a legal opinion and sends it back to the BOD. Do the members of the association have the right to see the correspondence? Assume this is not about any pending or contemplated litigation, just a opinion on a procedural issue. Can the BOD claim attorney/client privilege and withhold the letter?

IMO I would say only if it had to do with a delinquency, if it was a legal opinion about the HOA in general; the members would have a right to see it. If its a part of the corporations documents, the membership has a right to view in accordance with the provsions of the CCR's.
RogerB (Colorado)
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Posted By RobertR1 on 07/05/2007 8:29 AM

Interesting. Roger says the client/lawyer privedge prevails in the end. ....

Please don't paraphase improperly what I said Robert R1.
I answered the question which asked CAN (able to) ... , it did not ask MAY or SHOULD ... . The Board CAN do what they want; that doesn't make it right or legal. Nevertheless, what I answered was "Yes. Should they? It all depends on what is in the letter."

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
RobertG, for the senario you presented I say
1. The Board should never have asked for a legal opinion, since it is a total waste of the association's money. It doesn't matter what any attorney thinks, the members have already decided.
2. Any attorney who would opine in the manor indicated should be fired.
3. The members have voted to publish the budget and the Board did not comply. The Board should be held accountable for disregarding the wishes of the members and for wasting their money.
4. Seeing this attoney's letter is of no importance compared to the above three items.
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
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Posted By RogerB on 07/05/2007 10:54 AM
RobertG, for the senario you presented I say
1. The Board should never have asked for a legal opinion, since it is a total waste of the association's money. It doesn't matter what any attorney thinks, the members have already decided.
2. Any attorney who would opine in the manor indicated should be fired.
3. The members have voted to publish the budget and the Board did not comply. The Board should be held accountable for disregarding the wishes of the members and for wasting their money.
4. Seeing this attoney's letter is of no importance compared to the above three items.

I tend to agree with what you said. Since I have never seen the letter and knowing that the board just doesn't want to comply, I can only guess what is going on. My really pessimistic side makes me think there really was never a request to the attorney and thus no opinion was given. I base that on the fact that the HOA's law firm is very reputable and I would find it hard to believe they would give such a response. Also, in the minutes, the board states the reason not to follow the members vote was because of a different reason than was given in the board meeting. There were just too many inconsistencies to feel like everything was above board.
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Gee Robert, do you live in HOA? I swear this is almost exactly what's been going on here. T
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Tracy,
If I am the Robert you are referring to the answer is no, I live in a Condo.

I recently wrote our Board and asked why the did not follow a specific requirement in our Master Deed. In thier meeting report they said they had turned the questions over to their attorney. I waited andd finally I hear from a board member that the Lawyer had rendered an opinion that the Board had nothing to worry about anything I had requested in my letter, all having to do with our CC&R'S. I requested a copy of the letter. A Board member told me it would violate the Client/Lawyer privledge. I don't know at this point what I will do, but it sure looks like I will need a letter.

Read all the posts on this site and others I don't find it strange that people have a lot to say about "bad boards and bad board presidents."

A sad state of affairs.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
RobertR1 - I agree that on this site you will hear about "bad boards" another issues which plague HOA's. That is the inherent purpose of this site - to create a forum where fellow boardmembers, members/owners, and pro's can get together and discuss solutions to the very issues we face.

We have the Better Business Bureau, Consumer Protection Agencies, Jeepers Unlimited, Save the Whales, and many other "sites" which address ill's for their demographic/population.

I have never come across an internet site/forum where it was "if you're happy and you know it clap your hands..." Most sites address a need which is realized when problems arise - and do not trumpet when things are going great. I am sure that we all could create a "I love my HOA" site, with all of the things that go well, but wouldn't that just be bragging....?

I am the first owner President for my HOA, after transition - I hate the nonesense that I face just trying to get the simplest of things accomplished. But it is like taking NyQuil, you don't have to like the "taste" to appreciate that shot of alcohol coming your way... While I know that half of my community will never know, or even appreciate what I do, I do realize that what I am doing is helping my community (of which I am a member).

I agree with the other posters, the stated reason for denying the letter was probably "bunk." Raise the issue in an open meeting, for the board to address the membership as to what the "advice" the attorney presented. Really who cares "how" the attorney said it - in so much as what was said. Every decision by a board is not going to be fully accepted (and in some cases appreciated) by members. And sometimes the shoe is on the other foot - every member's position cannot be accepted by the board - as they serve the community.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
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Taking the prefaced scenario, if the association members voted something, I could see a board checking with the attorney to see if it might possibly create some liability for the association in following the vote or even to check to see if the maater voted on was within the members authority, or possibly bumping up against a state or federal law (I've seen annual meetings where the members voted not to fund reserves in order to keep the assessment low, even though that would put the association in direct violation of our state law). If it did, I would expect the board to communicate that back to the members and schedule another vote to reconsider the issue. Granted, all of that should have been handled before the vote, but its conceivable a vote caught them by surprise at an annual meeting. Just because the owners voted on it, doesn't mean the board can ignore their responsibility to make sure it won't harm the association, or if it should be modified in some way, to reduce or remove potential liability. That's what the attorney is supposed to do, advise the board on legal issues.

Boards are often caught in the middle on some issues. A board that chooses to ignore the advice of legal counsel, does so at a very great risk, since they are not experts in law. If they disagree with the attorney's advice, do they look for a second opinion, at even greater cost?

And HEY - this country and a long and valued tradition of electing bad people to office, at every level. Why should a condo or HOA board be any different?

None of this may explain your particular situation, but then we don't know all of the details (the other side) nor are we attorneys.

Some reading: http://www.pillsburylaw.com/bv/bvisapi.dll/portal/ep/paPubDetail.do/pub/00008172/channelId/paCode/tabId/5/pageTypeId/9208/pubYear/2001

Reference: Smith v. Laguna Sur Villas Community Association (2000) 79 Cal.App.4th 639 [94 Cal.Rptr.2d 321]
In an action by individual homeowners’ association members to compel discovery of association documents, the court found that the condominium association was the holder of the attorney-client privilege and it was not required to disclose privileged information to the individual homeowners.

Attorney-client privilege of a Homeowners’ Association does not extend to all the property owners within the Association, but rather to the Association itself through its officers. Cove on Herring Creek Homeowners’ Association, Inc. v. Riggs, 2001 Del. Ch. LEXIS 157, at *4-5 (Del. Ch. Dec. 28, 2001) (summary judgment granted, Cove on Herring Creek Homeowners' Ass'n v. Riggs, 2003 Del. Ch. LEXIS 36 (Del. Ch. Apr. 9, 2003), aff’d, Riggs v. Cove on Herring Creek Homeowners Ass'n, 832 A.2d 1252, 2003 Del. LEXIS 472 (Del. 2003)).

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GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Jadedone:

It is a thankless jon but one that has to be done. Unfortunately your post is correct no one will ever appreciate what you do, or how much you have invested in your volunteer role. Very rare would you get a job well done, but all so often do you hear all the complaints and grumbling.

The only persons that appreciate you and your felloew board members are the ones that have walked in your shoes and your MC if you have one. We appreciate our boards and all they do. At least you can go to bed at night and say job well done with a clean mind.

Keep the faith and hang tough!

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