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BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
An hvac was put on the property roof in 2013 and could be seen from the street. When the house sold in 2015 there were no HOA violations, in 2016 the seller is trying to sell his home and the HOA declared a hoa violaion of being able to see the Hvac from the street. If this was not a problem the year before how can it be a problem now. As it was not a violation in 2015 it should be grandfathered in 2016.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Bob,

Do you have in writing that their was no problems (i.e. it said none) or did it just not list any? Note: grandfathering only applies if the document or even statute specifies grandfathering.

Was a tree on the property in 2015 that may have hidden the unit from view?

Have you checked the applicable statutes, likely Title 33, Chapter 16, to see how they may apply in this situation?

With this being an investment/flip (I suspect that because its only been 1 year between sales), and expecting that you are the current owner, how important of an issue is this to you?

You can try a few things:

1) appeal the violation bringing documentation that it wasn't identified as an issue when the property was sold.

2) Offer a compromise, see if planting a tree will satisfy the Board.

3) Consult with an attorney for legal options.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Bob,

I just checked AZ statutes. I don't think that they will be of help to you.

Here is the statute [emphasis added]:

33-1806. Resale of units; information required; fees; civil penalty; definition

(e) If the statement is being furnished by the association, a statement as to whether the records of the association reflect any alterations or improvements to the unit that violate the declaration. The association is not obligated to provide information regarding alterations or improvements that occurred more than six years before the proposed sale. Nothing in this subdivision relieves the seller of a unit from the obligation to disclose alterations or improvements to the unit that violate the declaration, nor precludes the association from taking action against the purchaser of a unit for violations that are apparent at the time of purchase and that are not reflected in the association's records.

(f) If the statement is being furnished by the member, a statement as to whether the member has any knowledge of any alterations or improvements to the unit that violate the declaration.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
If you were in Virginia, the Association is bound by the statement they make. This does not appear to be the case in AZ
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Bob,

ARS 33-1806 requires that the seller and the association prepare statements for the buyer. Of interest is paragraph A(e):
(e) If the statement is being furnished by the association, a statement as to whether the records of the association reflect any alterations or improvements to the unit that violate the declaration. The association is not obligated to provide information regarding alterations or improvements that occurred more than six years before the proposed sale. Nothing in this subdivision relieves the seller of a unit from the obligation to disclose alterations or improvements to the unit that violate the declaration, nor precludes the association from taking action against the purchaser of a unit for violations that are apparent at the time of purchase and that are not reflected in the association's records.

That seems to muddy the waters more than to clear it up. I read it to mean that the seller must disclose possible violations even when the association has not objected, that the association may take action later even if it remained silent. This places a burden on the seller to know that his alterations may be in violation of the CC&R's even when the association has made no objection and places a burden on the buyer to also know whether there are violations that the association may act on at some future date.

BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
This property was bought by a single senior citizen. The reason it is being sold 1 year later is because he is now in a care facility and the property is being handled by his daughter (as conservator) through the courts.

No there was not a tree in the front.
They expect the seller to put a new parapat around the whold house in order to the the HVAC. Got a bid for the front wall only, so it could not be seen from the street and that was $5600.00, Can you imagine the cost for the whole house?

I have a copy of the "Homeowners Association Resale Notification" and the section asking: Are there any violations against this unit or property? The answer was a written "No". With a sticky note that said: Property doesnt have any violations including architectural. If anybody says anything, hand them a copy of this and tell them to call ________. (I am not putting in the contact name)

Unfortunately we don't have time to go to court to resolve this, because close of escrow is SUPPOSE to be Wednesay of next week.

This issue is very important since it is a very costly problem!
I am the realtor for the seller.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BobF7 on 09/17/2016 3:44 PM
This property was bought by a single senior citizen. The reason it is being sold 1 year later is because he is now in a care facility and the property is being handled by his daughter (as conservator) through the courts.

No there was not a tree in the front.
They expect the seller to put a new parapat around the whold house in order to the the HVAC. Got a bid for the front wall only, so it could not be seen from the street and that was $5600.00, Can you imagine the cost for the whole house?

I have a copy of the "Homeowners Association Resale Notification" and the section asking: Are there any violations against this unit or property? The answer was a written "No". With a sticky note that said: Property doesnt have any violations including architectural. If anybody says anything, hand them a copy of this and tell them to call ________. (I am not putting in the contact name)

Unfortunately we don't have time to go to court to resolve this, because close of escrow is SUPPOSE to be Wednesay of next week.

This issue is very important since it is a very costly problem!
I am the realtor for the seller.

Who is the person they are supposed to call? A property manager? President?
BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
We have already talked with the HOA President and Treasurer.(HOA) At first the Treasurer said the front wall only was okay, now the President seems to think it should be the whole house.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
As a realtor, you might know--but I don't. Can't your client seek something or other from the realtor who sold to your client and from that seller for failure to disclose?

Is the sticky note signed and dated?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
1) Are there other homes with condensors/coolers on top of the home?

If yes, can they be seen by the street or are they hidden by parapat?

If they can be seen, you need to argue selective enforcement to the whole board (not just one or two members on the board).

If they can't be seen, then you will likely need to comply or compromise.

2) Request a copy of the original request for placing the unit on the roof. If it was approved with no screening, then threaten to take the Association to court over the issue and for any difference in sale price. That will either have the Association back off or dig in their heels.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Bob,

Keep in mind that while the president and the treasurer are officers and board members, neither is usually empowered to act for the board. That is, it is the board acting as a whole, and not its individual members, that must agree to any remedies such as parapet walls.

Has the board issued any notice of violation? ARS 33-1803 requires a notice and an opportunity to be heard before an action may be taken regarding a violation.

Your seller is in an awkward spot. His least expensive way out right now is to build that parapet wall, assuming that will remedy the problem. (My understanding is that if the HVAC cannot be seen from the street then there is no violation.) All of his other remedies, such as suing the association or suing the person who sold him the home are going to cost big piles of money and delay the sale for months or years.

BTW, my take on this is that the seller owes you your commission as you produced a ready, willing, and qualified buyer.

Until now I had never read through the current version of ARS 33-1806(A)(3)(e) and I am especially offended by the clause that permits the association to take action against a buyer even after certifying that there are no violations. In most other situations, when a person relies on the words of another to his detriment he would have a cause of action. In this case, however, it's tough bananas for the buyer.
BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
There is nothing to disclose if the HOA deemed no restriction upon the sale to my seller.
BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Yes, there are other Hvac showing from the street. However, the board president said that did not matter, because when those homes sell, there will then be a violoation to them.
Unfortunately this is a sad state of affairs when the HOA waits for a sale, like in this instance. Does the seller have that kind of money to fix these type violations in such a short time frame? NO, plus they do not have a chance to dispute the matter.
BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
oh forgot...yes the sticky note was dated.
BobF7 (Arizona)
Posts: 7
Posted:
No, the first and only notification was through the Title company, while in escrow. That's why I started this conversation to find something in writting that would resolve this issue in a short amount of time.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Was the sticky noted signed?

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