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JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
We are a 113 unit, single story, 27 building condominium in Texas. Currently, our governing documents restrict rentals to only offspring and parents of owners. We are being advised by our property manager that she feels we are on thin ice regarding this restriction. In other words, she appears to believe that - in the final analysis - an owner ultimately has the authority to rent to anyone they please....regardless of what our governing documents say.

I was wondering about other Associations and how this issue is handled. Do you have restrictions on who can rent from an owner? What do you think?

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Jim,

What document contains that restriction?

It sounds like there was a move in the past to ban all rentals and this was a compromise to get it to pass. However, I agree with your property manager that if the issue was challenged, you would lose in court.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Unless your PM is an attorney, your Board should request an opinion from your HOA attorney. (I do agree your PM probably is correct, but I'm not an attorney either and know nothing about TX HOA laws.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Thanks Kerry and Tim...for your response.

The rental restriction is in our

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Thanks Kerry and Tim...for your response.

The rental restriction is in our DCC&R. Here is the quote:

"No unit owner shall be permitted to lease or rent his unit or any portion of
the unit to other than parent/ child; nor shall a Unit Owner permit its use
for hotel or transient purposes".

Interesting..huh?

Likely needs to be a question to ask our attorney next time we have a sit-down with him.

I take it that neither of you have governing documents which restricts rentals...right?

Thanks!

oljim, in exas


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
At least it's in the correct document.

I'm with Kerry, it may be worth a legal opinion prior to enforcement.
Until the need to enforce happens, save your money.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We do, Jim, have a close version of this in our CC&Rs: "...nor shall a Unit Owner permit its use for hotel or transient purposes." We're condos too. But our CC&R is so vague that we sought our HOA attorney's to specify a 30 day minimum in our Rules & Regs. He repaid that he only could advise a 7-day minimum. The board (I opposed) voted 30 days anyway. We've invoked a few times since the ('12), and no Owner has objected, but I worry!

I think other visit here who live in HOA with rental term limits. But can't say that I remember any with a limitation to a certain class of persons, i.e., family members.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JimR24 on 09/17/2016 12:15 PM
The rental restriction is in our DCC&R. Here is the quote:

"No unit owner shall be permitted to lease or rent his unit or any portion of
the unit to other than parent/ child; nor shall a Unit Owner permit its use
for hotel or transient purposes".


That is a fairly explicit clause and I cannot imagine a court striking it down for vagueness. The only issue I foresee is that someone might seek to challenge occupancy by a grandchild or other distant family member or the occupancy by a trustee or officer if the unit is purchased in the name of a trust or a corporation. The best way to avoid that conflict is to not act like jerks.

To me, a rental exists when an owner accepts money from a stranger; occupancy by family members, in-laws, trustees, or officers is not truly a rental as there is some permanent relationship between the owner and occupant that existed prior to the occupancy and will likely continue to exist afterward. The relationship between a landlord and tenant is fleeting, beginning and ending with the terms of the rental agreement.

By purchasing a unit in your condo, each owner accepted the terms and limitations imposed by the recorded declaration. Each owner has surrendered his right to rent to strangers, if such a right exists at all. Is there some explicit statement in Texas law that would grant owners an absolute right to rent out their properties even when they have agreed not to do so?

JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Title 8 of the Texas Property Code does make reference to the fact that a landlord does have the right of refusal to rent to a person for reasons other than discrimination. In other words, a renter's right to the residence property of another is limited. Other than that, i can find nothing which would lead me to believe that a homeowner can violate a previous agreement (in which residence title was a part of the agreement) to bring about a rental situation.

All this sounds kinda murky...huh? This probably won't be solved until a challenge is made. So far, this has not been tested and it might be better to let a sleeping dog lay. What do you think?

I may bring this up to our attorney next time we sit down with him and see what he says off the top of his head.

Thanks for the responses!

oljim, in texas


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You should get an attorney’s opinion, although I think your property manager has a point – it could be used to discriminate against certain groups of people. And do you really want to go to various houses asking if the occupants are related to the homeowner? How will you prove they are or aren’t related?

It may be better for your board to consider other rules, perhaps requiring new owners to live in the house for 2 years before they can rent or set a maximum percentage of houses that can be rented at a time. From what I’ve seen, that will be very difficult to enforce and you’ll probably need some sort of hardship provision because even with a percentage, someone may have no choice but to rent, especially if they have to move away from the area. If tenant behavior has been a problem, tighten up your rules enforcement and make sure it’s being applied to owner occupants as well as renters – that may be all you need to reduce or prevent any problems.

Finally, don't forget you'll likely need homeowner approval to put these rules in your CCRs, so it may be helpful to poll the owners to see what their concerns are - that can help determine what's really needed

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Thanks for all the responses to my question....appreciate it!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
People disagree with me on this but will tell you what I was told about rental restrictions... The HOA can not enforce rental restrictions because the HOA does NOT own the property. This was told to me by a lawyer when my HOA members wanted us to put in rental restrictions. Mortgage companies can put on rental restrictions. Which many HOA's do adopt as theirs. Which is like a 2 - 5 year period of time a home can not be rented out by the owner. It depends on the type of loan package.

California is one of the few states that now has laws about rental restrictions. It's pretty new and implemented around 2012. Florida may have some laws in regards to time periods one must own a property before making it rental. However, that falls more under consumer laws. They had issues with bad contractors slapping condos cheaply together and selling them quickly. The new owners would run into serious structural issues or other serious repairs. This was happening in many HOA's or Condo environments. However, it fell out of their powers. Now Florida has some consumer protection laws for such situations once reported to the authorities.

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JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 09/19/2016 11:27 AM
People disagree with me on this but will tell you what I was told about rental restrictions... The HOA can not enforce rental restrictions because the HOA does NOT own the property. This was told to me by a lawyer when my HOA members wanted us to put in rental restrictions. Mortgage companies can put on rental restrictions. Which many HOA's do adopt as theirs. Which is like a 2 - 5 year period of time a home can not be rented out by the owner. It depends on the type of loan package.

California is one of the few states that now has laws about rental restrictions. It's pretty new and implemented around 2012. Florida may have some laws in regards to time periods one must own a property before making it rental. However, that falls more under consumer laws. They had issues with bad contractors slapping condos cheaply together and selling them quickly. The new owners would run into serious structural issues or other serious repairs. This was happening in many HOA's or Condo environments. However, it fell out of their powers. Now Florida has some consumer protection laws for such situations once reported to the authorities.

Good information Melissa. Texas is a strong private property state and i'd tend to believe that - in most Texas jurisdictions - that the winner of an argument about whether a homeowner had the right to rent his/her own property might likely be won by the homeowner.

However - in looking at it from another angle, it is true that the homeowner did agree to the restriction when the home was purchased (as clearly written in our governing documents).

So far, this has not been thoroughly tested in our condominium and we have had rentals in the past (on two of our units so far); however, in each case, it was rented by either a child of the owner or the parent of the owner. Interesting stuff...huh?

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JimR24 on 09/17/2016 8:26 AM
We are a 113 unit, single story, 27 building condominium in Texas. Currently, our governing documents restrict rentals to only offspring and parents of owners. We are being advised by our property manager that she feels we are on thin ice regarding this restriction. In other words, she appears to believe that - in the final analysis - an owner ultimately has the authority to rent to anyone they please....regardless of what our governing documents say.

I was wondering about other Associations and how this issue is handled. Do you have restrictions on who can rent from an owner? What do you think?

oljim, in texas

My sister lives in an HOA community where NO RENTALS are allowed for any reason. That rule was part of the ccr from day one of the development. A few owners don't like it but it has kept property values consistently high even after the housing crash.
My HOA is currently looking at restricting rentals to a percentage of overall units (60 units total)

If the HOA members are not gripping about the rental restriction then this board member may have an agenda. And it doesn't sound like a good one.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
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Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 09/19/2016 10:15 AM
....requiring new owners to live in the house for 2 years before they can rent or set a maximum percentage of houses that can be rented at a time.

These are exactly the kinds of changes we are looking to make in our HOA. I'm particularly interested in keeping out corporations. I don't care if an owner wants to rent because they're going to be working in Dubai for two yrs.
But corporations will be discouraged if they can't rent the unit for 2 yrs.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Don't forget LLCs - lots of homeowners set those up to protect their personal assets if things go sour with investment properties or whatever business they get into.

You'll probably still need some sort of process to monitor who's living in the house, which can be tricky, so make sure you have a really good rules enforcement policy. Some investor owners prefer HOAs who do little or nothing on enforcement so they can rent to any idiot who will wreck the community while they collect rent checks. On the other hand, when you make it clear owner-occupants AND landlord-owners (and their tenants) will be held accountable for rules violations, that may keep out some of the riff raff because fines, lawsuits and all that stuff can eat into one's rental income...

And resist the temptation to keep assessments "low" - they have to be enough to run the community properly and fund reserves according to the reserves study. Some investor owners aren't crazy about too high fees (whatever that means) because once again, it eats into profits (better to buy property in a non-HOA community and keep most of the money for yourself...)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Rentals is a hot button subject. My belief is if the restrictions were there from the get go then they are probably bullet proof as all agreed. Do not confuse there from the get go with adding them later.
DouglasN4 (Missouri)
Posts: 27
Posted:
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/29/2017 1:17 PM
Don't forget LLCs - lots of homeowners set those up to protect their personal assets if things go sour with investment properties or whatever business they get into.

You'll probably still need some sort of process to monitor who's living in the house, which can be tricky, so make sure you have a really good rules enforcement policy. Some investor owners prefer HOAs who do little or nothing on enforcement so they can rent to any idiot who will wreck the community while they collect rent checks. On the other hand, when you make it clear owner-occupants AND landlord-owners (and their tenants) will be held accountable for rules violations, that may keep out some of the riff raff because fines, lawsuits and all that stuff can eat into one's rental income...

And resist the temptation to keep assessments "low" - they have to be enough to run the community properly and fund reserves according to the reserves study. Some investor owners aren't crazy about too high fees (whatever that means) because once again, it eats into profits (better to buy property in a non-HOA community and keep most of the money for yourself...)

Enforce HOA rules.
Keep monthly assessment high.

More good advice. Thank you!

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