💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

ShirleyC (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Our HOA is a Senior community defined by the cc&r's as at least 55 years old to be a qualifying resident.

We were told by the attorney that we cannot interfere in a sale.

The new owners is not 55 years old. We think that the old owner did not disclose this to the realtor and/or new owner.

I am assuming the next step is to legally enforce the cc&r's and not let the new owner live in the unit.

We are also at our 25% capacity of rentals so they cannot rent it out either.

What is the right answer?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
The right answer is to consult an attorney as this is a legal question that effects the property rights of all parties involved.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Our HOA is a Senior community defined by the cc&r's as at least 55 years old to be a qualifying resident.


But are you HUD HOPA compliant ?

If you don't know, or don't understand the question, you need an attorney.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ShirleyC on 09/16/2016 3:51 PM
Our HOA is a Senior community defined by the cc&r's as at least 55 years old to be a qualifying resident.

We were told by the attorney that we cannot interfere in a sale.

The new owners is not 55 years old. We think that the old owner did not disclose this to the realtor and/or new owner.

I am assuming the next step is to legally enforce the cc&r's and not let the new owner live in the unit.

We are also at our 25% capacity of rentals so they cannot rent it out either.

What is the right answer?

You might read the following link. If your community is following all the required rules, retaining an attorney might be the next step.

http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/SeniorCommunityLaws/tabid/1257/Default.aspx
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree with the other three, Shirley. You need an attorney's advice. Are you on the board?
ShirleyC (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Yes I am the President of the Board.
ShirleyC (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
I met the new owner in the driveway over the weekend. She asked if we would be giving her a pamphlet regarding the rules. No pamphlet, I told her the rules are in the CC&R's
and she informed me she had not received the CC&R's. Isn't the realtor supposed to provide the cc&r's to buyers before they actually close the deal. Yes and thanks all of you. I will be contacting an attorney.

SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Cal the realtor and ask what disclosures were given to the new residents in your HOA community.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
No. The realtor does NOT provide copies. Some states require the SELLER to provide the documents. However, it is viewed as the BUYER's responsibility to be informed. The CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation are PUBLIC documents available at the records department at the local county courthouse. By-laws may or may not be there as well. They are HOA documents but sometimes are filed with the CC&R's though not required. The HOA should provide the by-laws once they are a member.

The HOA can have a pamphlet or brochure if they want as part of a welcome package. I created one for potential buyers. It did contain HOA private business in it. It just had the overall all rules, dues, and other small selling details. Otherwise the HOA does NOT have to provide any information to a potential buyer unless it wants to.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ShirleyC on 09/19/2016 8:51 AM

Isn't the realtor supposed to provide the cc&r's to buyers before they actually close the deal. Yes and thanks all of you. I will be contacting an attorney.

Typically, when it's the sellers responsibility the sellers Realtor will make sure it happens.
Some closing companies will take the time to provide a copy of the deed restrictions.
Per California statutes, the seller should have done that, but they get that info from the Association. However, these things do slip through the cracks.

You may want to consider creating a book of governing documents and publishing that to all current owners and provide that to new owners (or to sellers when they ask for a disclosure package). This way, everyone is on the same page and will have everything in one bound book.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Below is a list of documents and statement required by the seller, association or its management company to be presented to the buyer during the escrow process.

Civil Code §4525. Disclosure to Prospective Purchaser.
[Old: Civ. Code §1368(a)]

(a) The owner of a separate interest shall provide the following documents to a prospective purchaser of the separate interest, as soon as practicable before the transfer of title or the execution of a real property sales contract, as defined in Section 2985:
(1) A copy of all governing documents. If the association is not incorporated, this shall include a statement in writing from an authorized representative of the association that the association is not incorporated.

(2) If there is a restriction in the governing documents limiting the occupancy, residency, or use of a separate interest on the basis of age in a manner different from that provided in Section 51.3, a statement that the restriction is only enforceable to the extent permitted by Section 51.3 and a statement specifying the applicable provisions of Section 51.3.

(3) A copy of the most recent documents distributed pursuant to Article 7 (commencing with Section 5300) of Chapter 6.

(4) A true statement in writing obtained from an authorized representative of the association as to the amount of the association’s current regular and special assessments and fees, any assessments levied upon the owner’s interest in the common interest development that are unpaid on the date of the statement, and any monetary fines or penalties levied upon the owner’s interest and unpaid on the date of the statement. The statement obtained from an authorized representative shall also include true information on late charges, interest, and costs of collection which, as of the date of the statement, are or may be made a lien upon the owner’s interest in a common interest development pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 5650) of Chapter 8.

(5) A copy or a summary of any notice previously sent to the owner pursuant to Section 5855 that sets forth any alleged violation of the governing documents that remains unresolved at the time of the request. The notice shall not be deemed a waiver of the association’s right to enforce the governing documents against the owner or the prospective purchaser of the separate interest with respect to any violation. This paragraph shall not be construed to require an association to inspect an owner’s separate interest.

(6) A copy of the initial list of defects provided to each member pursuant to Section 6000, unless the association and the builder subsequently enter into a settlement agreement or otherwise resolve the matter and the association complies with Section 6100. Disclosure of the initial list of defects pursuant to this paragraph does not waive any privilege attached to the document. The initial list of defects shall also include a statement that a final determination as to whether the list of defects is accurate and complete has not been made.

(7) A copy of the latest information provided for in Section 6100.

(8) Any change in the association’s current regular and special assessments and fees which have been approved by the board, but have not become due and payable as of the date disclosure is provided pursuant to this subdivision.

(9) If there is a provision in the governing documents that prohibits the rental or leasing of any of the separate interests in the common interest development to a renter, lessee, or tenant, a statement describing the prohibition.

(10) If requested by the prospective purchaser, a copy of the minutes of board meetings, excluding meetings held in executive session, conducted over the previous 12 months, that were approved by the board.
(b) This section does not apply to an owner that is subject to Section 11018.6 of the Business and Professions Code.
ShirleyC (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Melissa, my understanding is that we cannot speak to the Realtor or the buyer, per the attorney.
ShirleyC (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Richard, these documents are requested by the title company. They do not read the cc&r's but are part of the closing of escrow documents. (per the latest title company/sale title officer).

Thanks, good information.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ShirleyC on 09/19/2016 10:41 AM
Richard, these documents are requested by the title company. They do not read the cc&r's but are part of the closing of escrow documents. (per the latest title company/sale title officer).

Thanks, good information.


Shirley,

Are you in Northern California?

Northern California uses Title Companies, whereas, Southern California, south of Bakersfield, uses most escrow companies. I insert a document notice having people sign and return that they actually received said package. I think I received one back.
ShirleyC (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Yes, I'm in Northern CA. Title companies is correct.

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here