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GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
At our BOD Meeting, the subject of including a thank you to those HomeOwners who have remedied violations to our CC&R with which they were cited came up. A generic paragraph has been included in the BOD Minutes sent to all HomeOwners thanking those who complied and remedied violations, no names included. Will we be getting into the same debate as posting names of deliquent-dues HomeOwners by making public names of HomeOwners who have remedied Violations in a separate letter for that specific purpose? The cited Violations would not be mentioned nor would the names of those who are still in violation. The thought among some BOD Members is this listing of names might encourage the non-compliers to comply also. I am not so sure neither of the outcome or the prudence of making names public one way or the other. Any help would be welcome.
Thanks.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I fail to see just what this will accomplish to begin with.

We had a similar discussion years ago about sending thank you notes to people who complied.

We don't recommend it. Law enforcement doesn't send thank yous for complying with or remedying violations.

One of the reason we don't send thank you notes is that most of the time people are pretty darn ticked at you to begin with, regardless of how quickly they might have complied. Others are embarrassed if they didn't realize they were violating to begin with. In either case, most would just as much leave the situation behind them.

Now, if you want to issue a generic "thank you" in a newsletter that is very general and vague and just simply thanks people who comply with CC&Rs and thanks those people who have remedied past violations, then go for it. But a personal letter to each one is not really a good idea, based on our experience only. Your mileage may vary. . .
KevinK5 (California)
Posts: 64
Posted:
I agree with Michele. If I received a violation letter and corrected the issue, I would not want my name listed in any newsletter or other letters to my neighbors. Even if a board member just came by and thanked me personally for taking care of the issue, I might be unsure of his intents and think that maybe he was just trying to make sure I wouldn't cause the same problem again. If I took care of the problem, then let’s forget it. Be a good neighbor and let bygones be bygones.
Kevin
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
I don't know. I don't think it needs to be published, but I've often found that a heartfelt "thank you" helped ease any bad feelings. And if an association is going to "punish" bad behavior (violating docs and rules), then it wouldn't hurt to "reward" those that voluntarily correct that behavior, especially if it was minor and possibly out of ignorance (or forgetfulness considering the senior moments I've been having lately). Being nice in a community association is something we could use a little more of.

Joe

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GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JosephW on 07/03/2007 7:47 PM
I don't know. I don't think it needs to be published, but I've often found that a heartfelt "thank you" helped ease any bad feelings. And if an association is going to "punish" bad behavior (violating docs and rules), then it wouldn't hurt to "reward" those that voluntarily correct that behavior, especially if it was minor and possibly out of ignorance (or forgetfulness considering the senior moments I've been having lately). Being nice in a community association is something we could use a little more of.

Joe

I can honestly see both sides of this issue. If we publicly publish a thank you with names listed, then we also have made known to all that those same people had violations in the first place...which they may not have wanted anyone to know since they took care of the issue. But also by publicly thanking them, we are rewarding good behavior, and that is a good thing...although we are all expected to abide by the law (CC&R)anyway. Maybe the generic thank you that was included in the Minutes of the BOD Meeting that already went out was enough. The people who got Notices and addressed the issue know who they are, and know the thank you is for them. Those who got Notices and didn't address the issue, certainly know that too. The rest of the HomeOwners know that the BOD is actively addressing the issue of CC&R violations.
I will wait and see what the rest of the BOD weighs in on this issue.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
*warning realy "dry" response follows...*

You do not get "thank you's" for the things in life that you are SUPPOSED to do.

Minutes of an HOA are for BUSINESS matters - what actions taken by board on the business of the community.

Newsletters are for COMMUNITY news and information - post the "thank you's" here in generic form, no names. Do not send out "happy faces" or "gold stars" to members individually.

There was a previous post about dog poop, uncut grass of foreclose property, etc - owners who band together and spend a Saturday AM volunteering to do "community service" for their neighbors = thank you's in newsletters, and/or getting an award paid for with HOA funds = meeting minutes/business.

As HOA President of my community I have used "white elephants" (think that is the name of the "re-gifting" thing that is used to give an unwanted/un-needed gift to another), to reward membership. Gift cards, extra "freebies" from the company that I work for, same "freebies" from wife's company, anything that other owner's have "re-gifted" into the pool etc - all go to owners who have step-up for our community. These small gestures go a long way to creating "community" in an HOA.

*** although I think that it was a bad idea to give a $10 gift card to "Dunkin Doughnuts, to the couple jogging in the community (us) who could stand to lose a few pounds... smile
JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
We always ask people to inform us when their work has been completed. If they do so, we send them a personal thank you. If we have to discover it on our own, we don't.

I would not publicize any thank yous as that is like holding up a list of violators. I am totally against the scarlet letter approach to governance, even if in this case it is with good intent. I agree a note in the newsletter generally thanking all (or even the "x" number of people who complied) would be a way of telling everyone you are on the ball and working the problem. I doubt if it would create a warm fuzzy feeling amongst the people who had violations though.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
GloriaL: IMO, its giving non-compliance the spotlight in the wrong way. You are giving praise to those who have decided to comply when it is an expectation of where they have chosen to reside.

Don't think it would do anything to encourage those still in non-compliance to comply; it may work the opposite. You will most likely never be in 100% compliance all the time, so this sets a precedent for you.

However, an announcement at a residents' meeting would allow the community to realize that the Board is pro-active in resolving non-compliance and you are nearer your goal, etc., etc....

JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Maybe I'm showing my age, but I say "Thank you" to my doctor after an exam, to the mechanic who works on my car, to someone holding a door, and to countless others "just doing what is expected of them" or getting paid for. It's a sign of courtesy and a civilized society, or as my parents put it, "It's the right thing to do". I know it's getting rarer, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. I just think saying "Thank you" for any positive outcome may make things a little easier in the future.

Joe

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
As a former "violator", if I got a letter in the mail acknowledging my "effort" to comply, I may crumble it up and tell you to "blow it out your....". No one is really that happy to clean up a violation. It most likely cost me money, effort, and time to do it. Plus, it may have been some small insignificant thing that was just ridicolous to enforce.

The appreciation of the compliance is gone is an award on it's own. How many times have you gone past a home that was in violation and suddenly that violation is gone? Most likely everyone will be saying "thank-GOD that is gone". Cleaning up a violation tends to resinigate through the HOA and turns positive on it's own.

Besides, no one notices the good you do until the bad comes out.

Former HOA President
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/04/2007 7:42 AM
As a former "violator", if I got a letter in the mail acknowledging my "effort" to comply, I may crumble it up and tell you to "blow it out your....". ..... div>

Reminds me of a case I encountered last week. During an inspection I saw a homeowner whom I had cited for weeds. I stopped and personally thanked him for cleaning out the weeds. He was upset because he got an information notice and 10 days later a violation notice before he finally removed his abundant weeds. So my efforts to personally thank him went for naught. But at least he didn't tell me "blow it out your ...."
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
After reading all the above posts, I am comfortable in the decision with just the generic thank you that was included with the BOD Meeting Minutes, since it was part of the business discussed. IMO, it acknowledged compliance, acknowledged non-compliance, and made everyone else know that the BOD is working, all without naming names or violations. We will never be able to please everyone, and it is not the BOD's charge to try to do that, just uphold the CC&R's. I will bring my point of view to the rest of the Board about not sending out anything further, and wonder how it will be received. This is the first time that we have sent out non-compliance notifications (we are a fairly new HOA), so we are setting up procedures, and I think getting compliance is all the thank you we could hope for.

JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Gloria:

"Thank you for doing what you should have been doing in the first place."

Ok, a little sarcasm...but a handwritten note of thanks would probably be the best, sent in a hand-addressed envelope. Not a form letter...nothing public.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
JM, seriously, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it because we tried it in the past, and the people who get the letters DO feel more along the "blow it out your arse" mentality than feel any sort of pride or relief or gratitude that you appreciated what they did.

When I say we found out the hard way, I'm not kidding. One person wrote a HUGE vulgarity on the letter, which they apparently wadded up first, and sent it back. (they had gotten a notice for on-street parking.)

Another person brought their "thank you" letter to a meeting and tore it up in front of the board and left. (issued for property maintenance)

We figured if those were the ones we HEARD about, our ears should probably be burning from the ones who didn't bother to express their feelings about it. But even so, one of our Arch Committee members said that his neighbor (who had gotten a notice for trash cans and then a thank you when they were moved) told him that we should just let well enough alone. He was pretty embarrassed and annoyed that he got the notice in the first place, then he said that he felt that we were being patronizing with the "thank you." He said it just opens the wounds and to just let it go.

So, I know the tendency is to "thank" someone when they do something we ask them to, but sometimes you just gotta know when to back out gracefully.

A generic thanks in the newsletter is really the bst way to go.
JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
Michelle, do you have any kind of closing then to the violation or do you just stop writing them letters about it? There is no positive ending of "you are officially off the hook on this one"? I have seen homeowners "repair" stuff not to the satisfaction of the ARC (i.e. replace a flagstone step with a concrete one, etc.).
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Judith, I'm not sure I follow what you are asking.

If we have an open violation, we track it in a database (spreadsheet)

If we give someone XX number of days to remedy a violation, then a board member goes and inspects on that XXth day.

If the violation is fixed or remedied, then we mark the violation as closed and put a note on the outside of the file jacket for that lot of the date/time the violation was closed and what board member confirmed it.

If the violation still exists, or if the repair or remedy was not as required, then we send a second notice.

Now, if we are inspecting the violation remedy WITH the resident, which we've done on occasion, of course we will be very diplomatic, and have often thanked them in person during that final walk through. That's a given.

But we stopped sending the thank you letters a long time ago.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
JudithC: The best and only successful 'closing to the violation' is for the ARC Committee to follow up with the homeowners' repair/change, and to send a letter to that effect.

If the ARC or Board is going to send a violation letter initially, they also need to see it through and monitor the outcome.

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